Ok , i get it ...sorry if i sounded inquisitive , as Sarge wrote = it was all the odds for the contestant ...and it failed.
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Originally Posted by Mirage
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Ok , i get it ...sorry if i sounded inquisitive , as Sarge wrote = it was all the odds for the contestant ...and it failed.
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Originally Posted by Mirage
After it cures it is a hassle to remove. I found it was easiest to fill a cup with vinegar to dip the supplied brush in and then rub it like an eraser against the Veiled surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
The Sarge, All I got to say to you is you need to back off and leave.............. :smiley_simmons:
JK..OK, Now on a serious note, you call it like it is!!! No sugar coating your responses and for that, I commend you. I don't like to get to involved in these heated topics because I, Like you, would call it like I see it, and sometimes I may get a little hot headed if someone tries to blow smoke at me about a product like we are seeing already here. :).
MIRAGE, Thank you for the test, excellent opportunity you gave G5, but it is what it is, the results speak for themselves.
Who would not plunge after reading those diatribes ?
'' Veil G5 improves laser jamming performance by further reducing your vehicle’s overall reflective laser signature (the military calls this “laser cross-section”).
This makes it much easier for your laser jammer to work effectively. In fact, by using Veil G5, you may also be able to reduce the number of jamming heads
you would otherwise require and still achieve superior performance.
For example, instead of needing a three head system for the front, you may only require a two head or even a single head (above the center front plate area).
In other words, you can actually get better protection for LESS MONEY and still achieve superior results with a defense in depth approach with Veil.''
Ref.: http://www.stealthveil.com/faq#faq8
It remembers me the old story of wishfull thinking : you wont get pregnant if you think hard enough you wont.
''Today, police laser guns are being manufactured specifically to defeat laser jammers and nearly all models are being rendered entirely ineffective
as if one were driving without any countermeasure at all. When confronted by these types of police lasers, jammers won’t even alert to these new guns.''
The only good point here is to make believe cops that jammers are toys.
'' The newest lasers have the ability to record and store a jammer’s interference attempts (successful or not)
and this information may then later be reviewed by their manufacturers with the expressed intent of defeating
new jammers or jamming algorithms that appear as software updates.''
Is this true and confirmed ? I never heard of it ...perhaps i am late at the party.
''Veil G5 is a water-borne transparent acrylic latex polymer coating ''
No wonder it is ''After it cures it is a hassle to remove ''
''More is not necessarily better.''
This is the Truth , and it shall be shared to all.
NO this was a story that was made up and VG believed it. I heard it too and was ROFLMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tman
Looking forward to the retest. Just to make it fair, Michael J Fox has been invited to shoot the lidars.
Won now come on... you know as well as I do Michael couldn't make it so we had to settle for Stevie Wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Won Hunglo
Im no kid just looking for an internet forum argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrlNmE
I have a real life in the real world......got better things to do.....I am old enough and experienced enough to get my ass in a chapped situation when somebody just flat out runs a con. Laser Veil is a con run by a con and supported with bullshit "testing" by a convicted felon in Radar Roy. It is what it is.
VG will ask for test scenarios until the cows come home with endless bullshit......Mirage is a smart young man and gave his product a HUGE advantage to perform and it was shown to be worthless.
I challenge anybody to go to his (VG) website, read the bullshit and you come tell us (after digesting Mirage and Vortex observations) if any of it is true.
No reason to be hotheaded about anything.
I can go on until my fingers fall off here with bullet points of VG bullshit, provide links out the ass...but why? His product is worthless shit. Period.
But if he ever wants I have a library of his bullshit ready to go. But many have challenged him and all you get is "I misspoke" and "not what I meant"...endless horseshit.
If VG has a brain...at all.....he will just sleaze on down the road.
I have moved on.
What is this? Do I detect humor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
Tman...any good con man will sprinkle bits of truth in with boatloads of bullshit. It gives them deniable options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tman
Example:
Laser Veil absorbs the laser ...blah blah...
Well sorta.....it has components in it that are manufactured by third parties that are proven to absorb laser. But does that mean it will provide real world protection? Hell no. It is a partial truth that is playing on the average Joe making the ASSUMPTION he will be protected in a actual real world Police encounter shooting laser. But he doesnt say that...he just tells you Laser Veil is proven to absorb laser.
It is a classic con statement with deniable outs when challenged.
Then you get into the endless loop of acceptable testing parameters. Hand held is not fair....oh wait....tripod held is not fair....no wait a minute.....
Your test course needs to be 40000000000 feet....oh wait.....you have to use a car that is all black and no headlights or chrome and no front license plate....you see what is happening here? Endless. Well it ended the day Mirage did his test.
Then a good con man will play the human element. Oh this is my baby...I worked so hard.....I am a pioneer in the industry (self appointed)....on and on. Bullshit again. Does your product do what you claim on your web sight? Yes or No. Do you have anybody who is not a convicted felon that can test/document and verify these claims are accurate?
'' Well sorta.....it has components in it that are manufactured by third parties that are proven to absorb laser.''
Well this is what the patent says ...once a patent is given , is there any obligation to keep the described recipe ?
Some people will believe in homeopathy , that is ok , but to sell with promised\certified results based on anecdotic expereriences is ...FAITH.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A muslim jumped from a plane shouting Inch Allah ...crashed.
A non-believer jumped with a parachute...saved.
I was there for this and it was pretty hard to deny he had good results, better than expected, and he was running LIs not alps. Now, personally I'm not willing to slather crap anywhere on my car, but for 100 bux or whatever I still think the product has value, especially when people are dropping 5k on the stinger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellowcab
I see your point , but why not spend for a Alp quad and the rf portion of Stinger ?
that set up works a great $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ well spent
I am genuinely not satisfied with my purchase and a few days ago I decided to try and return my G5 to the vendor I purchased it from, Radar Roy.
Unfortunately once you open Veil, Radar Roy says he will not take it back. So I emailed Veil Guy a few days ago and am waiting.
Otherwise, what am I supposed to do with this stuff?
here in OZ if u purchase goods and they don't perform as advertised or displayed, or not satatisfied the product , a full refund is given no questions it is the law, chek ur legal rights
HUSSEIN, NYSpeederPVM finds G5 to be worth it, let's see if he wants to put his money where his mouth is and buy it from you. That would be impressive to see NYSpeeder.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYSpeederPVM
As for others who talk ridiculous stuff, Stinger is pure stupidity in my opinion when you have proven better products for a much better price. I will retire from CM's the day I have to spend money for CM's like Stinger. People who talk about wanting it have plenty of money to spend or throw away, which is OK if that is the case or are just plain stupid. Sorry to offend some of you idiots, but it is what it is.
I would be curious at what distances FitH realized a benefit. I cannot find the test Yellowcab is referring to. Of course I am old and stupid......link assist please.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYSpeederPVM
LOL....grumply old bastahd.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrlNmE
Why do people spend $400 for a pair of jeans? Doesnt make them look any better. But it gives them satisfaction that they have the most expensive jeans. We cannot be critical of their choice of buying and wearing $400 jeans as it is their choice. Their money and their justification rational is outside our realm of understanding......I know some dumb old bastahds that put $150K into cars just to go out and put themselves in harms way to see who can get to Don Mills Ontario and back the fastest......pee in a bucket in a car going 120mph....I mean what kind of idiot would do that? Oh wait a minute....never mind.
When I mentioned the price of the stinger I wasn't commenting on how good or not good or worth it/not worth it is, I just meant that veil at $100 is a relative bargain considering what we spend for an alp, or a redline, a v1, a scanner etc.
Fox in the holes results at the jammer meet were really good, and most of us there had a feeling it was the veil all over his plate and headlights.
To truly test this you'd have to do a ton of runs with a couple different cars with jammers on, get an average punch through distance, then apply veil, do the same number of runs in the exact same way and find that average punch through distance. This would be a tough test to do and would take some serious time.
http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/Quote:
Originally Posted by The Only Sarge
Compare the Laser Interceptor Vehicles.
OK thank you Mirage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
So after reading it...It could have been the frontal area and separation of the heads (lack of crosstalk) that caused the JTG back to back performance...it could have been the Veil.....it could have been a perfect installation....all according to the author there.
I firmly believe cutting down the reflectivity is a plus. No doubt in my mind. The question in this thread and the purpose of Mirage's test Sunday are simple. Does Veil perform as advertised? Yes or No. Fox in the Hole runs are inconclusive concerning Veil. As a LI user I love his results....but I do not see anywhere in the test nor the writeup that I could contribute his success to one particular item or product.
Bottom line for me is I wish like hell Veil worked. I have no personal ax to grind here. If it worked and could be definitively proven to work I would slap that shit all over the GT500 and the GTO and go like hell. But we all know the answer to that wish.....DENIED.
But we all know the answer to that wish.....DENIED.
If wishes were horses
Then beggars would ride
If wishes were fishes
We'd have them all fried
This is why I wish we had HUD on those runs and why I requested HUD video on any product testings. Of course this is not possible due to time in regular user meets but for product testing it needs to be done. There could be many reasons for those results and the results were inconsistent from one run to another. Its virtually impossible to see why that run was good... Did the LI's work on that run and catch the Compact in an pattern it liked? Did G4 (The car was slopped with it) help? Did the shooter stay on target? Its impossible to know without seeing the video to answer many questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Only Sarge
Well said BRD.Quote:
Originally Posted by BestRadarDetectors
I believe the French would call that "inconclusive".
Bullshit. I don't care how cheap a product is. If it doesn't do shit, it's not a bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYSpeederPVM
understand ur comments on Stinger purchase in Us, here in oz Stinger is the only Rd to cover our needs fully, and there's little difference in prices compared to other units available, also I guess it's also up to the person what he buys/prices on anything reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by OrlNmE
Based on the installation, the model of jammer and car, I normally should have gotten some PTs. Also from he feedback I was getting from the lidars I can say with certainty that Vei G4l greatly improved the performace on that vehicle. Will G5 have the same performance as G4, I do not know. If I was Fox in the Hole, I wouldn't remove the G4 unless he wants greater output from his headlights.
I have a different take on the effectiveness of Veil G4 and the Fox In the Hole car. First of all, if you look at the results between Christopher Khol (Also LI 8.18) and Fox in the Hole you will see there was very little difference between them other than Stalker, but that also is an older gun that is no longer in use. If we assume < 200 is considered JTG then:
Gun Christopher Khol Fox In the Hole ProLaser IV JTG JTG ProLite JTG JTG ProLaser III JTG JTG Stalker LR JTG JTG Stalker XLR JTG JTG LTI LR B JTG JTG Truspeed JTG JTG Truspeed S 244 JTG Truspeed SX 584 JTG Truspeed LR 287 306 DALA #4 JTG JTG DALA #5 IPT IPT Compact #1 512 310 Compact #2 651 IPT
When you compare them side by side they are very close. Keep in mind the Truspeed SX was tearing everything up that day so it was luck of the draw as to whether you got a PT. Both of these guys had at least one run against COMPACT #1 that was JTG. We also had the same results on our test car on the previous day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Ij6cPzELc
In addition, during my pre-testing or 8.17 I had nearly the same result on my own car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-9Cn5MDrss
I was also shooting that day and I couldn't tell a difference in his car or Christopher Khol's car. It would still be speculation that Veil G4 was contributing anything to the performance of the vehicle and if it was ever determined to be a contributing factor it was MARGINAL at best as the results are too close to call.
But in a passive counter measure situation there should not be much of a variable between guns. IE.....laser is laser and if I say my stuff will absorb it in a passive environment then what gun and pulse rate I shoot you with is irrelevant. And the results should be much more consistent than a active solution
One of you big heads set me straight but that is how I see it.
I hear what your saying YC.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellowcab
But I see performance of IPT on FitH car (with Veil) on one gun and jamming going on the non Veil car.....this is where I am struggling....passive should work and be consistent in testing. Much more consistent than active solutions with so many outside influences ie alignment, angles etc. I just do not see that....I see inconsistencies as shown in Mirages test results spreadsheet that shouldnt be there if the passive solution was working.
I also see a HUD of Mirage and his Camaro JTG with an older LI and no Veil. So the variable cannot be attributed to A) Car with Veil B) Car with no Veil but more with the active solution inconsistency IMHO.
'' passive should work and be consistent in testing.''
I blame the glossiness for the inconsistency, left is banana stuff , right is original Veil
Attachment 3762
Can we do a retest with Tmans goop slathered all over the camaro? That stuff seems way better!
That is a product that looks like it really works well even against the full power of the lidar up close and personal. Really nice tman.
We need to talk.
Can someone please explain where the delineation is? Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tman
Do you mean where each stuff is placed ?
Attachment 3763
'' Can someone please explain where the delineation is? Thanks! ''
I think your on to something there Tman.......
The glossiness of Veil definitely connects the dots in the engineer side of my brain and could be an answer to the inconsistent nature of Veil.
This falls into my theory of reflectivity. You can call it glossiness I will call it reflectivity and we both are having a raging agreement.
I will hold off calling the guys about your statue in front of the office but I do think your on the right path.
Great job....you photo speaks volumes......
Is this the stuff Tman?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/DecoArt-A...-204660551-_-N
I think between my headlight armor (doesnt reduce output but kills reflectivity) and this stuff on all the chrome one would SIGNIFICANTLY reduce reflectivity and not draw attention to yourself. I have some spare license plates (Texas) and am going to pick some the clear stuff @ Home Depot today......I will then shoot my IR Laser at it and see what I get.....
Bottom line is to kill reflectivity.....License Plate, Chrome, Headlights. Then test.
I use Mod Podge Mat , waterbase sealer,glue & finish from Plaid.It has one drawback : when very wet it turns whiteish (under rain) ,then returns clear when dry . Anyway it is easy to remove with alcool\methanol.
No Sarge , i dont know this one.
Chalk finish should kill pretty well reflectivity.
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Originally Posted by The Only Sarge
That's the thing, I'm still not convinced it doesn't do anything at all. Now, did I ever think for two seconds it would stand alone against laser? No way. But, I am pretty sure when it's behind a nice set of jammers, it makes them work even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Now, if veil guy is claiming it stands on its own, that's bs for sure, but I feel like I'm seeing pitchforks and torches in this thread when really we still don't know for sure that it does absolutely zero. Close to zero maybe but when the discussion is among a group of people that want every advantage possible I still think veil has the possibility of adding to a "layered" setup. And again 100 is a drop in the bucket for some people's setups.