ATL G5 test

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Originally Posted by Veil Guy

Sure way to defeat a jammer, but Veil can take it. ;)

VG

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Sounds like a below the belt punch against jammers. Wow. Let's give Leo's more feedback how to defeat Jammers VG.

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Originally Posted by JohnBoy

Is it possible that the jammer heads reflect IR back? In other words, when testing a car with the jammers disabled, do the jammer heads themselves become "hot spots" for the laser gun to pick up?

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No.
You can determine this yourself w/o any special equipment,all you need is nighttime & a flashlight.This evening when it's dark outside stand about 20' from the front of your car & sweep the flashlight beam across the frontend & see what sparkles most & tell us what you find is the most reflective objects of visible white light.

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Originally Posted by OrlNmE

Sounds like a below the belt punch against jammers. Wow. Let's give Leo's more feedback how to defeat Jammers VG.

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I respectfully disagree. The word is out, I'm afraid and it wasn't because of that post which is simply a recognition of the reality today. Manufactures of lidar guns have known this as well as officers who have already been trained and/or being educated of the technique.

VG

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Originally Posted by Veil Guy

I respectfully disagree. The word is out, I'm afraid and it wasn't because of that post which is simply a recognition of the reality today. Manufactures of lidar guns have known this as well as officers who have already been trained and/or being educated of the technique.

VG

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It doesn't matter if its already out, posting about it doesn't help the community.

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Originally Posted by Veil Guy

I respectfully disagree. The word is out, I'm afraid and it wasn't because of that post which is simply a recognition of the reality today. Manufactures of lidar guns have known this as well as officers who have already been trained and/or being educated of the technique.

VG

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Regardless of what is known, advertising it more like you did I think was trying to blow off Laser Jammers to promote Veil. Not cool IMO.

Let's ft back on topic, please.

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Originally Posted by Jaguar

Yup, at ranges exceeding 2000' I imagine it could help, but heck, at >2000' you might as well be shooting the whole dang car because it's tiny in any viewfinder without an optical zoom! And all in all VG, I wanted it to work. I wanted it to help reduce acquisitions, but I just didn't see any benefit to it. I was going to ask hussein to let me put some on my truck after we tested, but (and I'm not trying to speak for him but...) the results made us both decide we'd be better off without it, knowing the potential for damage to the lights, and how poor it appeared with only two layers.


I will not say however that it is a 'definitive' test, or that conditions were perfect, or any of that. It was fairly fresh on the car and relatively cold outside. That may have affected it, among other things.

I look forward to seeing other testers give it a go.

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So there is long term damage to the headlights after using Veil?

Also, if it makes my truck look muddy or dirty I'll just stick with ALP. It's more of a guarantee 99% of the time as oppose to using Veil. If under 2000 feet it punches through, then it's not worth it.

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Originally Posted by OrlNmE

So there is long term damage to the headlights after using Veil?

Also, if it makes my truck look muddy or dirty I'll just stick with ALP. It's more of a guarantee 99% of the time as oppose to using Veil. If under 2000 feet it punches through, then it's not worth it.

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The highest level of protection I believe will always be using a variety of CMs in tandem such as a jammer, veil, a good RD, a cover like a SuperProtector, and Waze/EL. Something like this today is about as good as it gets, IMO, coupled of course with very attentive driving (an extremely important component). Last year I made a "bull run" from PA to SW FL in less than 14 without incident doing just this.

So again, my question was is there long term damage to headlights using Veil?

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Originally Posted by Jaguar

We found a 1000'ft stretch right by my house we could use. Results: Doesn't do a dang thing. Came off easily with vinegar though.

I let hussein shoot his car after I did, both of us pretty much same thoughts, didn't help at all, and way too dark with two coats. Pictures and his thoughts to follow when he gets back.

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Thank you for your time and effort to test this stuff. Thank you especially for the heads up.