from Europe

[juyer]

Hello
I am Juyer and I am from Europe (European Union)
There we have highly retro-reflective plates, both front and back, LIDARs are very popular.
Almost all countries in European Union have law that both radar detectors and even laser jammer are illegal.

[RedRocket]

Welcome to the Forum,juyer.
We have the same situation in most of U.S.A. as you do,BUT...only a few individual States ban RDs & "Parking Sensors."

[curmudgeon]

Welcome to our excellent forum. We have several very knowledgeable members here who are in various EU countries, and I'm certain you will hear from them. We also have members from parts of both Canada and Australia who also must stealth their installs due to legal bans on CM's.

[dinkydi]

welcome , what equipment are you running with in the EU

[juyer]

welcome , what equipment are you running with in the EU

What I know there are very popular TruCam, TruSpeed and old Ultralyte 20-20... so the Laser Technology, Inc. from Colorado (USA) has very good marketing here...

I have never heard about other popular LIDARs in Europe...

On the other hand in not laser technology all MultaRadar (mobile and fixed speed radars) from JENOPTIK AG (Germany) are also popular.

I use V1 & yaV1 application. Waze is not popular, instead every country has his own popular social app, so the fixed speed radars are not problem, Valentine one & yaV1 can confirm that fixed speed radar is real and not empty housing.

I am quite advanced in the topic of K, Ka, X band, but the popularity of LIDARs force me to think how to protect myself from them.

My V1 should be a lidar detector instead of a ticket notifier...

That's why I am here...

I have black-matte coat on the front of my car, but the highly retro-reflective front plate is a challenge. I think about it.

Veil G5 is not available in Europe, but in fact it is not a solution for a white plate and the police user manual for ultralyte here has the sentence "shoot to the front plate"


Painting over plates is illegal. License plate cover is illegal. Sand paper which I have used on a fragment of my old, unused plate has solved the reflectivity problem, but it is too noticeable and it is not reversibly operation. I think about white matte coat now. If only I manage to cut the white matte sticker to fit it between the letters. We will see.

See: "By targeting a headlight, the four lasers belatedly got its speed at an average range of 1,732 feet. [..] After installing the highly retro-reflective California front plate, the lasers tagged the Expedition at an average range of 5,513 feet"

The front plate in Europe is even worse than the California plate, so If I have my plate even laser jammer cannot probably help.

So the front plate is my challenge now.

The reflectivity I test usually by a simple toy, red laser.

[BestRadarDetectors]

The front plate in Europe is even worse than the California plate, so If I
have my plate even laser jammer cannot probably help.

This is not the case. Jammers dont work by blocking any reflections from you vehicle.

[juyer]

Jammers dont work by blocking any reflections from you vehicle.


That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...
That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.

[BestRadarDetectors]

That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...
That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.
It has nothing to do with how a Jammer works. Your plate will be no issue and a Jammer does not effect the reflection going back to the gun. It expects that reflection to go to the gun.

[RedRocket]

That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...- performance defense is not dependent on the signal strength "difference" or "equality" of the 2 signals. Even if it were so,remember the Lidar signal has to make 2 trips (out to the target & then return to the Lidar gun,thus making the IR signal weaker in strength... the Parking Sensor has to make only 1 trip to the Lidar gun.

That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.Making the LP less reflective does help. "Tilting" the LP forward also helps a little causing some reflections to be directed to the road surface. Some 3M films do cause "diffusion" & scattering of the IR photons which also helps. I use both of these tactics on my LP !

[BestRadarDetectors]

Also as an FYI to make you feel better.... When AL does testing they shoot their test car with a large over-sized reflector on the front of the test car.

[juyer]

Your plate will be no issue and a Jammer does not effect the reflection going back to the gun.

Ok, what do you think about an assertion which can be found on the radartest.com:
"The laser jammer's task is easiest when it's trying to protect a dark vehicle wearing no front license plate." ?

Anyway, I hope I understand what you are going to say, good Jammer should cope even in such circumstances (with retro-reflective front plate).

[juyer]

"Tilting" the LP forward [...] 3M films do cause "diffusion" & scattering of the IR photons which also helps.

1. Which 3M film do you recommend ?
2. What I've noticed about my LP - the retro-reflecting effect makes my hand whole red back, even If I point by a toy, red laser from angle bigger than 45 degree !
And there is my question if tilting the LP could help in that kind of retro-reflective material ?
3. I think about tilting the front plate up. Why? Every time a LEO shoots me, I was on the top of a hill and the LEO was in the valley.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Ok, what do you think about assertion which can be found on the radartest.com:
"The laser jammer's task is easiest when it's trying to protect a dark vehicle wearing no front license plate." ?

Maybe with old guns.. Today's guns I dont see any difference with the color of the car. Sure protecting a car with no plate is easier because in general its harder to get a lock on it but we are not talking about trying to protect a car with passive countermeasures. When releasing and testing Jammers they are tested for the worse case scenario and that always includes a Front License plate. A jammer is not trying to deflect or stop the return signal from the gun like a passive counter measure. Its about timing and getting returns to the gun quicker then the expected pulse and confusing the gun.

[modsl55amg]

Making the LP less reflective does help. "Tilting" the LP forward also helps a little causing some reflections to be directed to the road surface. Some 3M films do cause "diffusion" & scattering of the IR photons which also helps. I use both of these tactics on my LP !

RR, Can you possibly provide info or a web link for the 3M film you use, please. Thanks, "JoisyGuy''

[Tman]

Welcome to underground !

I treated my plate with ultra-mat white outdoor paint , yet no problems with the cops. I painted only the white background ,not the letters\numbers.
Tough it is not necessary when using Alp which has plenty of power.

[awj223]

Ok, what do you think about assertion which can be found on the radartest.com:
"The laser jammer's task is easiest when it's trying to protect a dark vehicle wearing no front license plate." ?

Anyway, I hope I understand what you are going to say, good Jammer should cope even in such circumstances (with retro-reflective front plate).

Any jammer should be able to jam the gun even if it's firing into a mirror. Period. Jamming is about timing, not about power. It should not matter if the original signal from the gun is reflected back at 100% power; the jammer should still work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BgIcGfQiqI

If the gun is getting a punchthrough, the jammer is:
1. Not properly installed
2. Not "seeing" the gun (heads are too far from where the signal is currently falling and you need more jammer heads to cover the car)
3. Not updated to jam the gun being fired

In this case, it would be to your advantage to reduce reflectivity, but only because the jammer is deficient. You're still going to get tagged at some point and you need to upgrade/reinstall your jammers.

[busta]

Welcome from OZ

[RedRocket]

1. Which 3M film do you recommend ?
2. What I've noticed about my LP - the retro-reflecting effect makes my hand whole red back, even If I point by a toy, red laser from angle bigger than 45 degree !
And there is my question if tilting the LP could help in that kind of retro-reflective material ?
3. I think about tilting the front plate up. Why? Every time a LEO shoots me, I was on the top of a hill and the LEO was in the valley.


RR, Can you possibly provide info or a web link for the 3M film you use, please. Thanks, "JoisyGuy''Currently I'm using 3M Scotchcal "Marking Film".
However,I'm looking for something even better. I noticed the 2 URL links that member "hussein" mentioned in his Post #1 that have interested me, but until I can acquire one or both to test I cannot recommend either one at this time.
www.radarandlaserforum.com/showthread.php/7105-3M-Prestige-Series-window-film


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wza9XddSPYM