from Europe

[juyer]

Hello
I am Juyer and I am from Europe (European Union)
There we have highly retro-reflective plates, both front and back, LIDARs are very popular.
Almost all countries in European Union have law that both radar detectors and even laser jammer are illegal.

[RedRocket]

Welcome to the Forum,juyer.
We have the same situation in most of U.S.A. as you do,BUT...only a few individual States ban RDs & "Parking Sensors."

[curmudgeon]

Welcome to our excellent forum. We have several very knowledgeable members here who are in various EU countries, and I'm certain you will hear from them. We also have members from parts of both Canada and Australia who also must stealth their installs due to legal bans on CM's.

[dinkydi]

welcome , what equipment are you running with in the EU

[juyer]

welcome , what equipment are you running with in the EU

What I know there are very popular TruCam, TruSpeed and old Ultralyte 20-20... so the Laser Technology, Inc. from Colorado (USA) has very good marketing here...

I have never heard about other popular LIDARs in Europe...

On the other hand in not laser technology all MultaRadar (mobile and fixed speed radars) from JENOPTIK AG (Germany) are also popular.

I use V1 & yaV1 application. Waze is not popular, instead every country has his own popular social app, so the fixed speed radars are not problem, Valentine one & yaV1 can confirm that fixed speed radar is real and not empty housing.

I am quite advanced in the topic of K, Ka, X band, but the popularity of LIDARs force me to think how to protect myself from them.

My V1 should be a lidar detector instead of a ticket notifier...

That's why I am here...

I have black-matte coat on the front of my car, but the highly retro-reflective front plate is a challenge. I think about it.

Veil G5 is not available in Europe, but in fact it is not a solution for a white plate and the police user manual for ultralyte here has the sentence "shoot to the front plate"


Painting over plates is illegal. License plate cover is illegal. Sand paper which I have used on a fragment of my old, unused plate has solved the reflectivity problem, but it is too noticeable and it is not reversibly operation. I think about white matte coat now. If only I manage to cut the white matte sticker to fit it between the letters. We will see.

See: "By targeting a headlight, the four lasers belatedly got its speed at an average range of 1,732 feet. [..] After installing the highly retro-reflective California front plate, the lasers tagged the Expedition at an average range of 5,513 feet"

The front plate in Europe is even worse than the California plate, so If I have my plate even laser jammer cannot probably help.

So the front plate is my challenge now.

The reflectivity I test usually by a simple toy, red laser.

[BestRadarDetectors]

The front plate in Europe is even worse than the California plate, so If I
have my plate even laser jammer cannot probably help.

This is not the case. Jammers dont work by blocking any reflections from you vehicle.

[juyer]

Jammers dont work by blocking any reflections from you vehicle.

That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...
That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.

[BestRadarDetectors]

That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...
That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.

It has nothing to do with how a Jammer works. Your plate will be no issue and a Jammer does not effect the reflection going back to the gun. It expects that reflection to go to the gun.

[RedRocket]

That's what I'm talking about. The signal of a jammer could be even weaker than the signal which is come from Lidar and is reflected from the plate...- performance defense is not dependent on the signal strength "difference" or "equality" of the 2 signals. Even if it were so,remember the Lidar signal has to make 2 trips (out to the target & then return to the Lidar gun,thus making the IR signal weaker in strength... the Parking Sensor has to make only 1 trip to the Lidar gun.

That's why I'm thinking about how to make the front plate less reflective.

Making the LP less reflective does help. "Tilting" the LP forward also helps a little causing some reflections to be directed to the road surface. Some 3M films do cause "diffusion" & scattering of the IR photons which also helps. I use both of these tactics on my LP !

[BestRadarDetectors]

Also as an FYI to make you feel better.... When AL does testing they shoot their test car with a large over-sized reflector on the front of the test car.