RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 - Testing - Part 2

[Mirage]

I would be curious at what distances FitH realized a benefit. I cannot find the test Yellowcab is referring to. Of course I am old and stupid......link assist please.

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/

Compare the Laser Interceptor Vehicles.

[The Only Sarge]

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/

Compare the Laser Interceptor Vehicles.

OK thank you Mirage.
So after reading it...It could have been the frontal area and separation of the heads (lack of crosstalk) that caused the JTG back to back performance...it could have been the Veil.....it could have been a perfect installation....all according to the author there.
I firmly believe cutting down the reflectivity is a plus. No doubt in my mind. The question in this thread and the purpose of Mirage's test Sunday are simple. Does Veil perform as advertised? Yes or No. Fox in the Hole runs are inconclusive concerning Veil. As a LI user I love his results....but I do not see anywhere in the test nor the writeup that I could contribute his success to one particular item or product.
Bottom line for me is I wish like hell Veil worked. I have no personal ax to grind here. If it worked and could be definitively proven to work I would slap that shit all over the GT500 and the GTO and go like hell. But we all know the answer to that wish.....DENIED.

[curmudgeon]

But we all know the answer to that wish.....DENIED.


If wishes were horses
Then beggars would ride
If wishes were fishes
We'd have them all fried

[BestRadarDetectors]

OK thank you Mirage.
So after reading it...It could have been the frontal area and separation of the heads (lack of crosstalk) that caused the JTG back to back performance...it could have been the Veil.....it could have been a perfect installation....all according to the author there.
I firmly believe cutting down the reflectivity is a plus. No doubt in my mind. The question in this thread and the purpose of Mirage's test Sunday are simple. Does Veil perform as advertised? Yes or No. Fox in the Hole runs are inconclusive concerning Veil. As a LI user I love his results....but I do not see anywhere in the test nor the writeup that I could contribute his success to one particular item or product.

This is why I wish we had HUD on those runs and why I requested HUD video on any product testings. Of course this is not possible due to time in regular user meets but for product testing it needs to be done. There could be many reasons for those results and the results were inconsistent from one run to another. Its virtually impossible to see why that run was good... Did the LI's work on that run and catch the Compact in an pattern it liked? Did G4 (The car was slopped with it) help? Did the shooter stay on target? Its impossible to know without seeing the video to answer many questions.

[The Only Sarge]

This is why I wish we had HUD on those runs and why I requested HUD video on any product testings. Of course this is not possible due to time in regular user meets but for product testing it needs to be done. There could be many reasons for those results and the results were inconsistent from one run to another. Its virtually impossible to see why that run was good... Did the LI's work on that run and catch the Compact in an pattern it liked? Did G4 (The car was slopped with it) help? Did the shooter stay on target? Its impossible to know without seeing the video to answer many questions.

Well said BRD.
I believe the French would call that "inconclusive".

[Salty]

When I mentioned the price of the stinger I wasn't commenting on how good or not good or worth it/not worth it is, I just meant that veil at $100 is a relative bargain considering what we spend for an alp, or a redline, a v1, a scanner etc.

Fox in the holes results at the jammer meet were really good, and most of us there had a feeling it was the veil all over his plate and headlights.

To truly test this you'd have to do a ton of runs with a couple different cars with jammers on, get an average punch through distance, then apply veil, do the same number of runs in the exact same way and find that average punch through distance. This would be a tough test to do and would take some serious time.

Bullshit. I don't care how cheap a product is. If it doesn't do shit, it's not a bargain.

[dinkydi]

HUSSEIN, NYSpeederPVM finds G5 to be worth it, let's see if he wants to put his money where his mouth is and buy it from you. That would be impressive to see NYSpeeder.

As for others who talk ridiculous stuff, Stinger is pure stupidity in my opinion when you have proven better products for a much better price. I will retire from CM's the day I have to spend money for CM's like Stinger. People who talk about wanting it have plenty of money to spend or throw away, which is OK if that is the case or are just plain stupid. Sorry to offend some of you idiots, but it is what it is.

understand ur comments on Stinger purchase in Us, here in oz Stinger is the only Rd to cover our needs fully, and there's little difference in prices compared to other units available, also I guess it's also up to the person what he buys/prices on anything really

[Yellowcab]

Based on the installation, the model of jammer and car, I normally should have gotten some PTs. Also from he feedback I was getting from the lidars I can say with certainty that Vei G4l greatly improved the performace on that vehicle. Will G5 have the same performance as G4, I do not know. If I was Fox in the Hole, I wouldn't remove the G4 unless he wants greater output from his headlights.

[Mirage]

I have a different take on the effectiveness of Veil G4 and the Fox In the Hole car. First of all, if you look at the results between Christopher Khol (Also LI 8.18) and Fox in the Hole you will see there was very little difference between them other than Stalker, but that also is an older gun that is no longer in use. If we assume < 200 is considered JTG then:

Gun	Christopher Khol	Fox In the Hole
ProLaser IV	JTG	JTG
ProLite	JTG	JTG
ProLaser III	JTG	JTG
Stalker LR	JTG	JTG
Stalker XLR	JTG	JTG
LTI LR B	JTG	JTG
Truspeed	JTG	JTG
Truspeed S	244	JTG
Truspeed SX	584	JTG
Truspeed LR	287	306
DALA #4	JTG	JTG
DALA #5	IPT	IPT
Compact #1	512	310
Compact #2	651	IPT

When you compare them side by side they are very close. Keep in mind the Truspeed SX was tearing everything up that day so it was luck of the draw as to whether you got a PT. Both of these guys had at least one run against COMPACT #1 that was JTG. We also had the same results on our test car on the previous day.



In addition, during my pre-testing or 8.17 I had nearly the same result on my own car.



I was also shooting that day and I couldn't tell a difference in his car or Christopher Khol's car. It would still be speculation that Veil G4 was contributing anything to the performance of the vehicle and if it was ever determined to be a contributing factor it was MARGINAL at best as the results are too close to call.

[The Only Sarge]

But in a passive counter measure situation there should not be much of a variable between guns. IE.....laser is laser and if I say my stuff will absorb it in a passive environment then what gun and pulse rate I shoot you with is irrelevant. And the results should be much more consistent than a active solution
One of you big heads set me straight but that is how I see it.