RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 - Testing - Part 2

[The Only Sarge]

So Mirage....how can a rational thinking person reach any conclusions how your test results were so vastly different from Radar Roy?

[awj223]

Couple of issues here. One.....it obviously had ZERO effect on DE. Secondly in Texas any device or effort to defeat speed enforcement is illegal. Not just jammers. So G5 is illegal in Texas also. Plate covers are illegal in Texas. Jammers are illegal in Texas. Any device or effort to defeat.......

Pretty sure that doesn't include passive methods though. RDs are still legal in TX. But...

Mute point anyway......doesnt work as advertised.

Yep.

[The Only Sarge]

Pretty sure that doesn't include passive methods though.......

RDs are still legal in TX. But...
RD's dont defeat speed enforcement efforts. RD's only alert to them. Big fight over the language there from Truckers and they won. Then Lt Gov Dewhurst wanted to ban RD's also but the Truckers stomped that out. Again....any effort to defeat

Yep.

Yep.

[Mirage]

So Mirage....how can a rational thinking person reach any conclusions how your test results were so vastly different from Radar Roy?

You have to remember we now have 2 tests (One from me and one from Vortex) that contradict Roy's Veil test. Now a couple of things to consider, on the DragonEye compact Roy was hand holding whereas I had mine on a tripod. Like I said in the review if you test against the worst case scenario you will do much better in the real world. I do however think Vortex was performing his tests hand held so that being the case it sounds to me like he is just that much more stable than Roy's test. I also wish I could have done the DragonEye on the camera too. I was so pissed I brought the wrong camera and the battery was almost dead so I couldn't hook it up on the DESL. That DragonEye is deadly! ALP is the only one that can beat it.

[NYSpeederPVM]

I've never really thought much about veil, and the alps don't seem to need help, but I would still think it has some value when used with jammers. I never thought for a minute it would stand alone.

But there is no real way to test that, other than making a ton of runs with the same car and getting an average punch through distance with and without veil.

[juyer]

Again....any effort to defeat

hard to say, if you choose a black, low profile car instead of a big, white, is it effort to defeat lidar ? :-)

[The Only Sarge]

I've never really thought much about veil, and the alps don't seem to need help, but I would still think it has some value when used with jammers. I never thought for a minute it would stand alone.

But there is no real way to test that, other than making a ton of runs with the same car and getting an average punch through distance with and without veil.

I would agree a multi layered approach is sound thinking. Active and passive defense makes sense....however your passive has to actually work at real world distances we drivers face when being shot with laser. A quarter mile isn't realistic to expect any type of protection. I would further humbly submit just basic "reflection management" is just as effective. Angle your license plate down a bit. I use headlight armor on my headlights/fog lights and it significantly reduces reflection back.....just basic reflection management to cut down on my "footprint"......other than that it is beginning to appear a waste of money to utilize paint on laser "absorption". No realistic/realized gains in reducing your signature that I can see now after 2 test (Mirage/Vortex our resident non convicted felons)...
Oh yeah...I also use a active jammer. LI.....jams all the guns around here. Mirage is the only SOB in Texas with a DragonEye

[The Only Sarge]

You have to remember we now have 2 tests (One from me and one from Vortex) that contradict Roy's Veil test. Now a couple of things to consider, on the DragonEye compact Roy was hand holding whereas I had mine on a tripod. Like I said in the review if you test against the worst case scenario you will do much better in the real world. I do however think Vortex was performing his tests hand held so that being the case it sounds to me like he is just that much more stable than Roy's test. I also wish I could have done the DragonEye on the camera too. I was so pissed I brought the wrong camera and the battery was almost dead so I couldn't hook it up on the DESL. That DragonEye is deadly! ALP is the only one that can beat it.

I dont care if your testing mouse traps.....when you have 3 test done and 2 are almost identical results and one is waaaaayyyyyyy out of whack.
Throw the anomaly out. Something is wrong.
I look forward to BRD's test. I think he said the other day he can see sunlight now from his snow cave.

[Tman]

We still dont know what makes Veil ticking weakly but still ...is it absorbtive properties or reduction in reflectiveness ?

Would it be possible to test this ?

[The Only Sarge]

There I just tested it and it works just as good
Seriously......I am now of the mind basic reflection management utilizing damn near any type of reflection management (I'll call that RM) will give you the same if not better results.
My preference is non intrusive solutions like headlight/fog light film (Smoked, Blue) that many dealers put on now to protect the HL area from yellowing/rock chips etc.
Angle your license plate down a tad or two.
Just basic reflection management.
Like my Longhorn Bulls Head I have on my Cadillac. I spray painted his eyeballs black as not to draw attention to myself.

Further more ...I would submit at the distance we are seeing to realize any type of benefit from RM.....your RD is gonna go off and give you about the same amount of time to slow down. I mean a quarter of a mile the beam has to be like 2 ft wide and hand held the LEO is gonna be all over the damn place trying to shoot you from that far away. That will set off a decent RD.