RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 Testing - Part 1

[Veil Guy]

I thought I read here in a post something about reducing taxes.

VG

[Tman]

Good man Tman.
Took me 10 seconds to ban RR

To my dismiss it was the only site discussing cms , as an addict i re-registered under another nick.

I still have a portion of this can , i can re-do the test for the benefit of IRS ...how the money is not absorbed

[Tman]

Curmy , it is about reducing your contribution to the TaxMan...just become a believer...voilà.

WTF does *tax* have to do with this discussion?

[The Only Sarge]

WTF does *tax* have to do with this discussion?

I have no idea.

[Mirage]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

[The Only Sarge]

I think you must utilize the exact instructions for application straight from Bob's website. This is presented to the masses as the application required to get protection. You vary from the published application instructions and you now own the results versus VEIL owning the results. Follow VEILS instruction.
In my humble opinion.

Veil G5 is a water-borne transparent acrylic latex polymer coating that is applied with a foam brush (included). VEIL is easily applied to the most reflective surfaces of your automotive vehicle including its headlights, fog lights, brake lights, directional indicators, and number plate areas.

A single application is sufficient to effectively cover these areas.

Note: Veil G5 can now safely be applied directly to your license/number plate however, we recommend applying Veil to a clear license plate cover as blocking performance tends to improve while be more discreet in appearance. Veil can be thinned with water to allow lighter coatings to be applied either with the brushes provided or with an airbrush. Two light coats tend to perform better than one heavier coat. We’ve experimented and have found that coating the front and the back of a clear plate cover or applying a light coat directly to the plate coupled with a light coating on a plate cover provides potentially better blocking efficiency while being less noticeable to the naked eye.
Publish your results following VEILS application instructions to the letter. VEIL owns those results.

From there you may get a mop and smear the entire front of the car and test.
You own those results.

[The Only Sarge]

However I have totally lost any and all understanding of any realized protections of following the VEIL instructions after this exchange.
So I have no idea what it is VEIL is supposed to do anymore.

I would go further and say you could tape black duct tape over your license plate and headlights and the LEO could still nail your butt with laser.

That's exactly right and I have been trying to make that point.

VG

[Veil Guy]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

I would say that's correct. Would take a picture of the front of your vehicle and let's take a look at it?

VG

[Veil Guy]

However I have totally lost any and all understanding of any realized protections of following the VEIL instructions after this exchange.
So I have no idea what it is VEIL is supposed to do anymore.

Poorly worded on my part. I will clarify. At some point expect a PT is going to happen and depending upon the type and color of the car, its shape, the type of paint that's going to occur at any given distance. That distance whatever it is, is going to be dictated by the parts of the vehicle untreated NOT treated.

On this last test series with our green civic, PTs happened at further distances when the vehicle's body itself was targeted NOT the headlights. Any lidar gun that tones during targeting in a manner that provides the operator feedback as to how much reflection of its own is being seen by the laser gun, will show this. The LZ1 is I believe the best gun for this sort of feedback. When you target an unveiled vehicle you will get tones. When you target a veiled vehicle those tones significantly drop and often go completely silent until just before a PT is reached.

I believe that Mirage's suggestion that G5 wasn't absorptive enough or it was too glossy and that would be why PTs occur. Let's say the Mirage believes that at five coats he believes G5 is effective at absorbing laser. Ok then, put that on the headlights and target versus using only one or two coats. If the expectation is that performance would substantially improve on any given vehicle, I believe that is a false assumption.

Completely eliminating reflection from the headlights and anything else treated will not prevent PTs occurring. The varing distances will be dictated more by what's left. That's what I was trying to say. I will clarify that.

VG

[The Only Sarge]

Well I appreciate the clarity as you had me bumbdoozled there for a minute.
I still think Mirage should follow your instructions per your website. Get the uninformed users experience. The vast majority of users are just going to follow manufacturers instructions and expect advertised results. Are they not?
From there he can/will go further in his testing and try and answer the many variables presented on this forum.
The benchmark should be manufacturer application instructions and the results compared to advertised claims. I think this is the mantra of RALETC firstly.