RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 Testing - Part 1

[Mirage]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

[Veil Guy]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

I would say that's correct. Would take a picture of the front of your vehicle and let's take a look at it?

VG

[BestRadarDetectors]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

Since Front Plates are required in more than 31 States (The Majority) I think you should slap a plate on the car to give people an idea of the difference with or without a plate since most people by law will be required to have that extra reflector on their car.

[Veil Guy]

Since Front Plates are required in more than 31 States (The Majority) I think you should slap a plate on the car to give people an idea of the difference with or without a plate since most people by law will be required to have that extra reflector on their car.

Do both. If you don't treat the plate you'll be cooked. The plate will be your weakest link. If you have a plate cover even better. If you can pitch the plate forward a bit pointing it down even better. MUCH better. Retroreflective plates are specifically designed to reflect IR and magnify them several orders of magnitude in reflectivity. Look at stealth holistically. That's the best approach.

VG

[Salty]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

I understand your reasoning to doing this for testing purposes, but it's unrealistic to think that anyone would do this in real life.

[BestRadarDetectors]

I understand your reasoning to doing this for testing purposes, but it's unrealistic to think that anyone would do this in real life.

I actually must have skipped over the painters tape comment... I cant believe he is going to tape the whole front end of his Camaro with tape and then put G5 over the whole front end for testing. That is pretty crazy.

[Salty]

I actually must have skipped over the painters tape comment... I cant believe he is going to tape the whole front end of his Camaro with tape and then put G5 over the whole front end for testing. That is pretty crazy.

Not only is it crazy, but for G5 to perform acceptably only with tape all over the front end of the car is not acceptable.

[Veil Guy]

Not only is it crazy, but for G5 to perform acceptably only with tape all over the front end of the car is not acceptable.

Is that what he meant? I took that as taping off painted areas. NOT the whole vehicle!

Since G5 can go on paint now, I would suggest to eith tape off certain sections after Veil was conventionally tested. Look at what other areas are hurting you. Rerun them and then determine which portions of the vehicle are the culprit. If the overall performance isn't good, I would say augment the vehicle with jammer heads close to those areas.

VG

[awj223]

Do both. If you don't treat the plate you'll be cooked. The plate will be your weakest link. If you have a plate cover even better. If you can pitch the plate forward a bit pointing it down even better. MUCH better. Retroreflective plates are specifically designed to reflect IR and magnify them several orders of magnitude in reflectivity. Look at stealth holistically. That's the best approach.

VG

But one issue is that plate covers are illegal in CA, DC, IL, KS, MO, NY, and SC. That's 26.9% of the US population by current estimates.

Furthermore, AZ, DE, IN, IA, MA, NJ, NC, OH, TN, TX, and VA outlaw covers if they "obscure visibility", "reduce reflectivity", "are opaque", etc. If we add those to the above total, we get 57.2% of the US population by current estimates.

I understand your reasoning to doing this for testing purposes, but it's unrealistic to think that anyone would do this in real life.

I still think it's valuable info from a testing perspective. If you're getting PTs because other parts of the car are reflecting, then it's not VG's fault...so long as he includes a notice on the product that you'd better find ways to reduce reflectivity of the parts of the car that aren't covered by Veil. If you want to find out how effective the Veil really is, then you'd run a test with all other parts of the car covered with tape or some other material, but the plate and headlights exposed as usual, then put Veil on and run the test again. The more variables you can eliminate from the equation, the easier it is to figure out how effective Veil really is. Of course, photos of what the headlights and plate look like to the naked eye are also important, so you know whether the application used was really practical.

[Salty]

But one issue is that plate covers are illegal in CA, DC, IL, KS, MO, NY, and SC. That's 26.9% of the US population by current estimates.

Furthermore, AZ, DE, IN, IA, MA, NJ, NC, OH, TN, TX, and VA outlaw covers if they "obscure visibility", "reduce reflectivity", "are opaque", etc. If we add those to the above total, we get 57.2% of the US population by current estimates.



I still think it's valuable info from a testing perspective. If you're getting PTs because other parts of the car are reflecting, then it's not VG's fault...so long as he includes a notice on the product that you'd better find ways to reduce reflectivity of the parts of the car that aren't covered by Veil. If you want to find out how effective the Veil really is, then you'd run a test with all other parts of the car covered with tape or some other material, but the plate and headlights exposed as usual, then put Veil on and run the test again. The more variables you can eliminate from the equation, the easier it is to figure out how effective Veil really is. Of course, photos of what the headlights and plate look like to the naked eye are also important, so you know whether the application used was really practical.

I understand what you're saying, but in essence this means Veil has no real world purpose. A LEO will shoot whatever part of the car to get a reading. They don't always just hit the plate or headlights. I don't know anyone who would put Veil on any part of their car besides the plate or headlights. I do understand the purpose of doing it for testing, but unless Veil is put on the whole end of a car, AND it proves to be effective, I don't see why anyone would put it on their car.