RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 Testing - Part 1

[The Only Sarge]

I would go further and say you could tape black duct tape over your license plate and headlights and the LEO could still nail your butt with laser.

[Tman]

About collaboration between us , i completely agree. To put things in perspective , i will expose some historical facts.

When Radar Roy offered a solution to lidar tickets , i bought a Blinder M-25 and a can of Veil .After reading a lot of pros and cons i decided to do a simple test.
I used a led 905nm , a piece of clear plexiglass and a cell camera , i placed a good load of Veil and dried it. I bought a specialised dye certified to absorb 905 nm ,
diluted it in alcool and made a stain on the plexi , alongside the Veil stain. I used the led to verify the absorbancy of both by transparency , the dye was absorbing
the ir but not Veil . I made a 10 seconds video and posted it on RR site , it took few hours to have the video removed , the post deleted and me banned.
To protect IP is full right , to hide\ignore\destroy\discard facts is another game.

The difference here is huge , i can post my point of view\finding and not be banned , i am all for truth , if my findings are proven wrong\un-truthfull i will amend and apologise willfully.

Come on guys and girls. We are all on the same side here. We have allot of people here who are smart and have different levels of experience. I guess one of the things that surprises me is how rarely some of you get shot by LIDAR. Here in North West Ohio it is a rare week that I do not get shot at least once. Last week 3 times. Once on local road enforcing 25 mph limit (Truespeed SX) and twice on tollway (LTI 20-20 Utralight), the other was un-known. I plan on removing the G5 from the plates and install Ontrack Laser Shield. I will coat headlights, parking lights with multi coats. I have a trip next week and have no time to install any active CM.

I also think that to test G5 in a lab type environment would require same very expensive test equipment. Remember that the laser beam has to pass threw the G5 or G4, reflect off the surface underneath, then pass threw the G5 again going back the other direction. This will all add to signal (Laser) losses. I had a motor officer tell me he likes shiny new cars over dirty old ones because he can read there speed at greater distance. My background is RF energy. I have thousands invested in microwave test equipment and many of the same laws of physics apply. Lets all do our testing, document the results, and help each other come up with stealth cars and trucks that rob the city's and county's of there unfair tax collection. Anyway my two cents worth.

[Veil Guy]

I would go further and say you could tape black duct tape over your license plate and headlights and the LEO could still nail your butt with laser.

I have been trying to make this point: that is when a reading is obtainable at whatever distance, it's gong to be coming more from the reflective signature of the vehicle itself not the areas of the vehicle that are treated.

VG

[The Only Sarge]

Good man Tman.
Took me 10 seconds to ban RR

[Veil Guy]

About collaboration between us , i completely agree. To put things in perspective , i will expose some historical facts.

When Radar Roy offered a solution to lidar tickets , i bought a Blinder M-25 and a can of Veil .After reading a lot of pros and cons i decided to do a simple test.
I used a led 905nm , a piece of clear plexiglass and a cell camera , i placed a good load of Veil and dried it. I bought a specialised dye certified to absorb 905 nm ,
diluted it in alcool and made a stain on the plexi , alongside the Veil stain. I used the led to verify the absorbancy of both by transparency , the dye was absorbing
the ir but not Veil . I made a 10 seconds video and posted it on RR site , it took few hours to have the video removed , the post deleted and me banned.
To protect IP is full right , to hide\ignore\destroy\discard facts is another game.

The difference here is huge , i can post my point of view\finding and not be banned , i am all for truth , if my findings are proven wrong\un-truthfull i will amend and apologise willfully.

I can't speak to what happened on RDnet I assume years ago. For much of that time I wasn't an admin. Lots of banning and deleting happened there ending with Cliff being stripped of his admin rights to stop the practice. Clearly this bothers you and I can understand your frustration.

In so far as being uncomfortable about talking publicly about certain things why not let us have a discussion about tax strategies to minimize taxes. Let's start with your returns. Post them here and let's have some tax specialists here engage in a public discussion with all of us about what you can do to do better. Surely we must have some tax guys amongst us. I'm not a tax expert, but I'll be happy to chime in with my opinions. See what I mean? Some things are best left between yourself and your accountant and the IRS. Oh, you are in Canada. Disregard the IRS part.

VG

[The Only Sarge]

I can't speak to what happened on RDnet I assume years ago. For much of that time I wasn't an admin. Lots of banning and deleting happened there ending with Cliff being stripped of his admin rights to stop the practice. Clearly this bothers you and I can understand your frustration.

In so far as being uncomfortable about talking publicly about certain things why not let us have a discussion about tax strategies to minimize taxes. Let's start with your returns. Post them here and let's have some tax specialists here engage in a public discussion with all of us about what you can do to do better. Surely we must have some tax guys amongst us. I'm not a tax expert, but I'll be happy to chime in with my opinions. See what I mean? Some things are best left between yourself and your accountant and the IRS. Oh, you are in Canada. Disregard the IRS part.

VG

But Bob....TMan is not promoting his tax returns nor is he selling them.

[Veil Guy]

Come on guys and girls. We are all on the same side here. We have allot of people here who are smart and have different levels of experience. I guess one of the things that surprises me is how rarely some of you get shot by LIDAR. Here in North West Ohio it is a rare week that I do not get shot at least once. Last week 3 times. Once on local road enforcing 25 mph limit (Truespeed SX) and twice on tollway (LTI 20-20 Utralight), the other was un-known. I plan on removing the G5 from the plates and install Ontrack Laser Shield. I will coat headlights, parking lights with multi coats. I have a trip next week and have no time to install any active CM.

I also think that to test G5 in a lab type environment would require same very expensive test equipment. Remember that the laser beam has to pass threw the G5 or G4, reflect off the surface underneath, then pass threw the G5 again going back the other direction. This will all add to signal (Laser) losses. I had a motor officer tell me he likes shiny new cars over dirty old ones because he can read there speed at greater distance. My background is RF energy. I have thousands invested in microwave test equipment and many of the same laws of physics apply. Lets all do our testing, document the results, and help each other come up with stealth cars and trucks that rob the city's and county's of there unfair tax collection. Anyway my two cents worth.

Now we have someone who knows a thing or two about what is going on here. Double attenuation. That's exactly right.

90% attenuation equates to 99% double attenuation. 99% attenuation results in 99.99% double attenuation. Very good. And at these points we are at diminishing returns. Imagine what happens at five coats.

99.99999999%?

Know what? You'll still have PTs. Darn! I wish stealth was easier.

BTW, putting a light coat of G5 on your plate cover will help even further, it's performance. Tested that ourselves years ago. Don't make it black by over applying though.

VG

[Veil Guy]

But Bob....TMan is not promoting his tax returns nor is he selling them.

So what? We are one big happy family here. Let's help him out. I mean who can't benefit from some good tax advice?

The results will come in from the field. Some won't be so impressive others will be, I suspect. I certainly would be willing to talk about the whys of those results in each case.

VG

[The Only Sarge]

Ugh....well.....I guess that makes sense to somebody.......]

[curmudgeon]

WTF does *tax* have to do with this discussion?