RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 Testing - Part 1

[The Only Sarge]

I would also be curious of 3M tape as well as BRD plate covers.

[ShadowSe7en]

Not trying to be sarcastic here but wouldn't flat black spray paint be just as effective? It seems like the only way the stuff in the video works is by being put on thick enough to block out IR light from reflecting back from the headlight reflector. When it is that thick is essentially blocks out the headlight from shining through. I would think black paint, or even plasti dip sprayed over the headlight to completely block it out would be more effective. At least then you could just peel the dip off if you were doing a day time road trip. Is my theory incorrect here?

[Mirage]

Not trying to be sarcastic here but wouldn't flat black spray paint be just as effective? It seems like the only way the stuff in the video works is by being put on thick enough to block out IR light from reflecting back from the headlight reflector. When it is that thick is essentially blocks out the headlight from shining through. I would think black paint, or even plasti dip sprayed over the headlight to completely block it out would be more effective. At least then you could just peel the dip off if you were doing a day time road trip. Is my theory incorrect here?

Yes and no. If you notice in the video it does not block out the IR from my IR illuminators on the camera whereas flat black paint would. The point is it should ABSORB 905nm light not block it. I think Veil does do this, but it takes too much product to get enough absorption to make a difference.

[RedRocket]

Do you have a Laser Shield plate cover that you can use to test OnTRack's Laser Shield doing the same thing?

I don't have one, but I can certainly acquire one and test it.

Here's a pre-View of what you may see. While this was done w/ a 650nm "visible" RED Laser Pointer (w/ & w/o Veil G4) it has similar diffusion characteristics w/ a "real" IR beam from a Speed Lidar.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Here's a pre-View of what you may see. While this was done w/ a 650nm "visible" RED Laser Pointer (w/ & w/o Veil G4) it has similar diffusion characteristics w/ a "real" IR beam from a Speed Lidar.

Was that a VEILED Laser Shield? I should be able to easily duplicate a test like that using a laser gun and IR Camera.

[The Only Sarge]

Yes and no. If you notice in the video it does not block out the IR from my IR illuminators on the camera whereas flat black paint would. The point is it should ABSORB 905nm light not block it. I think Veil does do this, but it takes too much product to get enough absorption to make a difference.

As a winner in the Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) Rally......this entire Veil thing really gets me excited.....as you can probably tell and let me explain.
They treat RA with Chemo. It aint fun. It sucks bathwater. But if you want even a chance of beating RA you have to bring out the big guns.
Now there is a significant market of "products" claiming to beat RA all natural and without all the side effects.
Black Cherries, Fish Oil etc. Natural inflammation managers if you will. Problem is you would have to eat the equivalent of 14 boat loads of cherries a day to see any benefit and of course that is unreasonable. These all natural "solutions" use their testing science to prove their product works. They just leave out the fact what they are selling and all their test are not founded in the real world with real world applications to get any type of benefit.
So all this science I see and claims being made are likened to the Rheumatoid Arthritis all natural "remedies". Just not based in the real world and when challenged with real world applications soon are exposed as nothing more than bogus science and testing.....to get your money. Most of the snake oil solutions are priced relatively cheap compared to the "big gun" solutions. This to qualify (in the average guys mind) that if i spend just this small amount and it doesn't work then I really haven't lost that much. And the snake oil (RA) sales people rake it in.

To be clear....I am not calling Bob or Veil Guy a snake oil salesman. I do see similarities and just wanted to share my thoughts on the entire claims/counter claims on the viability of a carbon based product that you smear on your car and it helps you avoid a laser shot ticket.....in the real world.

Guys like Mirage and RALTEC sort through the bogus science/claims/counter claims and present the average knucklehead (such as myself) with easy to read/understand... real world results. Then leave it up to you if you think the benefits=cost.

And for the record Chemo works on RA.

[kasher1979]

Great testing Mirage. Between both you and Vortex I believe we see all that we need to see about Veil to make informed decisions about it's effectiveness. These results speak for themselves. Like you said we have been hard on VG, but now we will see if he will accept these results and commit to making the product usable. I sure hope so. This could really be a great thing to use if it worked well without being like basically putting black paint on your headlights.

[kasher1979]

As a winner in the Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) Rally......this entire Veil thing really gets me excited.....as you can probably tell and let me explain.
They treat RA with Chemo. It aint fun. It sucks bathwater. But if you want even a chance of beating RA you have to bring out the big guns.
Now there is a significant market of "products" claiming to beat RA all natural and without all the side effects.
Black Cherries, Fish Oil etc. Natural inflammation managers if you will. Problem is you would have to eat the equivalent of 14 boat loads of cherries a day to see any benefit and of course that is unreasonable. These all natural "solutions" use their testing science to prove their product works. They just leave out the fact what they are selling and all their test are not founded in the real world with real world applications to get any type of benefit.
So all this science I see and claims being made are likened to the Rheumatoid Arthritis all natural "remedies". Just not based in the real world and when challenged with real world applications soon are exposed as nothing more than bogus science and testing.....to get your money. Most of the snake oil solutions are priced relatively cheap compared to the "big gun" solutions. This to qualify (in the average guys mind) that if i spend just this small amount and it doesn't work then I really haven't lost that much. And the snake oil (RA) sales people rake it in.

To be clear....I am not calling Bob or Veil Guy a snake oil salesman. I do see similarities and just wanted to share my thoughts on the entire claims/counter claims on the viability of a carbon based product that you smear on your car and it helps you avoid a laser shot ticket.....in the real world.

Guys like Mirage and RALTEC sort through the bogus science/claims/counter claims and present the average knucklehead (such as myself) with easy to read/understand... real world results. Then leave it up to you if you think the benefits=cost.

And for the record Chemo works on RA.

Great post here. This is a great comparison to this situation. Basically yeah it works IF you paint it on to the point it looks like black spray paint on your headlights. Just like cherry work IF you eat like a gazillion of them. Neither scenario is feasible.

[Salty]

Great testing Mirage. Between both you and Vortex I believe we see all that we need to see about Veil to make informed decisions about it's effectiveness. These results speak for themselves. Like you said we have been hard on VG, but now we will see if he will accept these results and commit to making the product usable. I sure hope so. This could really be a great thing to use if it worked well without being like basically putting black paint on your headlights.

Kasher, no one was hard on him until he started insulting people. He couldn't have handled the situation any worse. Even people like Hidalgo I think it was, VG completely turned on him after Hidalgo gave him constructive, polite criticism.

[kasher1979]

Kasher, no one was hard on him until he started insulting people. He couldn't have handled the situation any worse. Even people like Hidalgo I think it was, VG completely turned on him after Hidalgo gave him constructive, polite criticism.

Oh yes I totally agree. What I really meant there is that yes we were hard on him, but it was for a reason and justified.