RALETC Official Results of Veil G5 Testing - Part 1

[Veil Guy]

Well I appreciate the clarity as you had me bumbdoozled there for a minute.
I still think Mirage should follow your instructions per your website. Get the uninformed users experience. The vast majority of users are just going to follow manufacturers instructions and expect advertised results. Are they not?
From there he can/will go further in his testing and try and answer the many variables presented on this forum.
The benchmark should be manufacturer application instructions and the results compared to advertised claims. I think this is the mantra of RALETC firstly.

Yes I agree. I think you found a spelling mistake too. We'll have to correct that.

I would only ask that Mirage start out with baselinung at around 2000 feet. And start his runs from that point. That would help give us an idea how "loud" the test vehicle is. Also where he gets PTs if he gets PTs with his jammers on, I would appreciate seeing those results again with Veil too. We have found that two head systems in the front can become single heads. And three head systems can become 2 head systems. I understand the way the ALPs work that st least 2 heads are needed to defeat advanced DEs. Short of that protection I believe you may be able to get away with a single mounted head in the center with the headlights knocked out of the equation.

If Mirage finds a weakness in our 1st run G5 we will work on improving it.

VG

[BestRadarDetectors]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

Since Front Plates are required in more than 31 States (The Majority) I think you should slap a plate on the car to give people an idea of the difference with or without a plate since most people by law will be required to have that extra reflector on their car.

[Veil Guy]

Since Front Plates are required in more than 31 States (The Majority) I think you should slap a plate on the car to give people an idea of the difference with or without a plate since most people by law will be required to have that extra reflector on their car.

Do both. If you don't treat the plate you'll be cooked. The plate will be your weakest link. If you have a plate cover even better. If you can pitch the plate forward a bit pointing it down even better. MUCH better. Retroreflective plates are specifically designed to reflect IR and magnify them several orders of magnitude in reflectivity. Look at stealth holistically. That's the best approach.

VG

[Salty]

VG based on your experience how would you recommend applying Veil to a vehicle to get the best performance? Vehicle will have jammers but they will not be on. Also NO front plate. Painters tape will be put down on the vehicle paint and all reflective surfaces will be coated with Veil based on your recommendation. This should hopefully represent the best case correct? Awaiting your response.

I understand your reasoning to doing this for testing purposes, but it's unrealistic to think that anyone would do this in real life.

[Tman]

Précision : rétro paint is designed to reflect back to source from any angle decreasingly up to 80 degrees +/-.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Do both. If you don't treat the plate you'll be cooked. The plate will be your weakest link. If you have a plate cover even better. If you can pitch the plate forward a bit pointing it down even better. MUCH better. Retroreflective plates are specifically designed to reflect IR and magnify them several orders of magnitude in reflectivity. Look at stealth holistically. That's the best approach.

VG

Why is stuff like this not on your own FAQ Pages? http://www.stealthveil.com/faq
Stuff like "If you don't treat the plate you'll be cooked." is stuff that people buying the product need to know when they install G5.

You have plenty of other stuff on your FAQ's which me might start a debate about at another time such as:

Q. Can Veil G5 really outperform laser jammers?
A. Yes, in a growing number of circumstances.

But I dont see anything showing the limitations of G5.

[The Only Sarge]

The Public Claims
Imagine driving a vehicle that’s invisible.
You can now with Veil.

Major benefits of driving with Veil G5:
Reduces the targeting range of all police lasers, making it harder to obtain your speed
Helps prevent your plate from being identified by IR photo enforcement and ALPR systems
Protects your headlights from long-term UV damage and oxidation

The application instructions to achieve the claims.

How do I apply Veil G5 to my vehicle?
Veil G5 is a water-borne transparent acrylic latex polymer coating that is applied with a foam brush (included). VEIL is easily applied to the most reflective surfaces of your automotive vehicle including its headlights, fog lights, brake lights, directional indicators, and number plate areas.

A single application is sufficient to effectively cover these areas.

[The Only Sarge]

And for the record I want me one of them invisible vehicles. My wifes girlfriends tell her when they see my truck at WhatABurger......I get in trouble.

[BestRadarDetectors]

I understand your reasoning to doing this for testing purposes, but it's unrealistic to think that anyone would do this in real life.

I actually must have skipped over the painters tape comment... I cant believe he is going to tape the whole front end of his Camaro with tape and then put G5 over the whole front end for testing. That is pretty crazy.

[juyer]

in Europe the white highly retro-reflective plate is so much reflective, that even if I shoot from angle bugger that 45 degree by a toy, red laser I have my whole hand back lighted in red.
VL, will it be possible to paint the plate with new generation of Veil.
Whats more, the plate in Europe must be not cover (require by law).

http://www.germancarblog.com/uploade...era-777162.jpg