[FURIOUS] ALP is only jamming when signal is detected

[Yellowcab]

Be nice at least he tried.


Transmitting and receiving at the same time is not the issue. The issue is always timing. PERIOD! If you want to learn the basics we can start a thread in an advanced section, but I don't want to talk about any of this in public.

Was on my phone. Didn't have time to make the corrections.

[orwellophile]

Not to mention if the lidar gun trigger is pulsed and the jammer didn't start and restart it would result in an instant punch through because the timing would be off.

My testing has shown that after receiving a brief pulse (fast as I could pull the trigger), the unit still returns to "green" mode after timing out, and then you're waiting a minute (haven't timed it) before it's armed "blue" again.

(I was measuring the outputs and pulling the trigger during "green" mode, not just trusting the color of the LEDs).

I didn't repeat the test, but can add it to my list of things to do (and film) if you believe this is not the current behaviour.

Thanks to whomever pointed out that there is an "unlimited mode", and I also would like to move this to a more private area as I'm skirting the line between "helping ALP users" and "helping the po' po'" It's just that I don't have access to any advanced areas.

Question: does the ALP fire ALL front lasers when it detects a threat on a single sensor?
Question: nobody is claiming that ALP is actually a good (or even average) parking sensor right?

BTW, I'm not recommending any other jammer other than the ALP.

Just highlighting some issues that could be fixed (or made optional) in a firmware update (if such was the group consensus), or failing that, describing the ALPs behaviour in "edge" situations so we can all be better prepared.

I (now) understand that "unlimited mode" would render these things moot, but I'm making a point of running these tests in factory default mode (apart from pro mode, to save my ears).

And a shout-out to yellowcab for pointing out the incorrectness of a previous post someone made on how jammers operate. I have a 4 second recorded sample (in video, and in graphical form) showing that the ALP hits every pulse (starting from the first) with precise identical timing (YMMV, if you actually decide to put your ALP in a car. I can only describe the behaviour on my workbench).

[BestRadarDetectors]

Still not sure what your concern is? If you have it at 4 second defence it will alert you and stop defending after 4 seconds and then reset 60 seconds later as it was designed. If after you receive scatter or a direct hit you need to slow and get ready for the LID timeout.

[specifics]

Still not sure what your concern is? If you have it at 4 second defence it will alert you and stop defending after 4 seconds and then reset 60 seconds later as it was designed. If after you receive scatter or a direct hit you need to slow and get ready for the LID timeout.

This is why the auto kill function is the best part of ALP (outside of it's capabilities). Doesn't allow JTG if set right......

[BestRadarDetectors]

Eventually we might have to remove unlimited jamming if we can't trust folks to use it responsibly.

[FJR1300]

Eventually we might have to remove unlimited jamming if we can't trust folks to use it responsibly.

That would really suck, high speeds and getting safely down to psl can require more time. The number one job of a jammer is to stop the leo from getting a reading, everything after that is secondary.
I completely understand the concern of jtg and possible consequences, but if a ticket is ever received because lid timed out, the jammer has not done it's primary job, actually it's only job.

[BestRadarDetectors]

That would really suck, high speeds and getting safely down to psl can require more time. The number one job of a jammer is to stop the leo from getting a reading, everything after that is secondary.
I completely understand the concern of jtg and possible consequences, but if a ticket is ever received because lid timed out, the jammer has not done it's primary job, actually it's only job.

At the same time if people play games JTG'ing there might not be a future for Jammer's. People need to use them wisely, In many countries there is no Unlimited Mode like we have in the US. In reality if we fixed the max at 9 Seconds like it is in Australia and other countries if you dont slow in that amount of time you would deserve a ticket.

[FJR1300]

If you think about it, the localities where jammers are illegal are much less likely to experience jtg, especially Canada and Australia, they have too much to lose.

9 seconds should be plenty on 4 wheels, but keep in mind that one cannot simply slam on the brakes and drop anchor on a bike in a curve, especially at triple digits. And the last thing I want to worry about when I get an alert, is whether or not I beat the timer, I'm already at a disadvantage because the heads are tilted when the bike is leaned over.

Anyway, not trying to argue about it, just bringing to light the differences between riding and driving with alp.

Have there been reports of people jtg for fun? The op in this thread is in Australia I think, but I can see his point; you get an alert, leo releases trigger, then retriggers while you're in 1 minute reset mode, now what? If that 1 minute period can be eliminated with the timer in place, I think that would alleviate the op's concern without unlimited lid time.

[BestRadarDetectors]

If you think about it, the localities where jammers are illegal are much less likely to experience jtg, especially Canada and Australia, they have too much to lose.

9 seconds should be plenty on 4 wheels, but keep in mind that one cannot simply slam on the brakes and drop anchor on a bike in a curve, especially at triple digits. And the last thing I want to worry about when I get an alert, is whether or not I beat the timer, I'm already at a disadvantage because the heads are tilted when the bike is leaned over.

Anyway, not trying to argue about it, just bringing to light the differences between riding and driving with alp.

Have there been reports of people jtg for fun? The op in this thread is in Australia I think, but I can see his point; you get an alert, leo releases trigger, then retriggers while you're in 1 minute reset mode, now what? If that 1 minute period can be eliminated with the timer in place, I think that would alleviate the op's concern without unlimited lid time.

It it Jammed every new pull of the trigger that would be unlimited jamming... The timer is designed to get your attention and give you time to slow. Not sure about everyone else but I have no issue taking it easy for 60 seconds after a real save.

[radargeek]

I completely understand the concern of jtg and possible consequences, but if a ticket is ever received because lid timed out, the jammer has not done it's primary job, actually it's only job.

If you can't drop your speed in 4 seconds after an alert (ok, give it a couple more if on a fast motorcycle), you have bigger problems than needing unlimited jamming. 9 seconds is way too long, that's as bad as a JTG, and many times you'll have passed the cop before then anyway.

The 60 second timer shouldn't be an issue either (though IMHO I think it should be adjustable, I prefer 30 seconds), since once you've slowed and JTKed you'll presumably wait until you're out of the danger zone before speeding up again, with or without jammers. It's great to have all this built into the ALP already, so it just happens (well, ideally you'd hit the button to kill). With other jammers you have to shut them off completely or (in the case of the HP-905) switch to receive mode and then remember to switch it back on after you've passed the threat. With the ALP, you slow, hit one button, drive past and in 60 seconds you're protected again.

Unlimited mode is intended for testing, not for use in the wild. If you do use it, you have to make sure you JTK *every* time. Even if you set a LID time of say 4 seconds, it's still best to JTK manually since in most encounters you should be able to slow & kill in under 3 seconds.

I even developed a device that adds a similar auto-kill feature to my LI. I can JTK with a button push like with the ALP, and I even have it wired to the brake so it can kill the LI automatically after releasing the brakes during a jam. And it also turns the LI back on after 30 seconds (or whatever time I set it to). If/when I upgrade to ALP I won't need this device anymore.