ALPS vs Speed Cameras?

Has anyone run across an actual test of the ALPS jamming capability vs a Laser Speed Camera (Vitronic Poliscan Speed . . . at least that what my LI's report as being the speed camera type)?

Currently I have front-only LIs but I keep getting hit from the rear with these cameras. If the ALPs could jam them I'd certainly consider replacing the front-only LIs with a front/rear ALPs setup. It appears counter productive at this late stage to add two rear LI heads since LIs don't handle the Dragon Eye and newer lidar sources, as does the ALPS. On the other hand unless the ALPs can handle speed cameras, it would be a large expenditure for an incremental benefit since we don't yet have dragon eye and very little (if any) rear lidar shooters in my primary driving area. Speed cameras however are everywhere, and keep increasing plus get moved around.

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Originally Posted by jarvust

Has anyone run across an actual test of the ALPS jamming capability vs a Laser Speed Camera (Vitronic Poliscan Speed . . . at least that what my LI's report as being the speed camera type)?

Currently I have front-only LIs but I keep getting hit from the rear with these cameras. If the ALPs could jam them I'd certainly consider replacing the front-only LIs with a front/rear ALPs setup. It appears counter productive at this late stage to add two rear LI heads since LIs don't handle the Dragon Eye and newer lidar sources, as does the ALPS. On the other hand unless the ALPs can handle speed cameras, it would be a large expenditure for an incremental benefit since we don't yet have dragon eye and very little (if any) rear lidar shooters in my primary driving area. Speed cameras however are everywhere, and keep increasing plus get moved around.

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The AL-P can handle the Poliscans !
However, it's very important that a non-traditional mounting/install is necessary to protect your vehicle.

If you're in Australia or EU, the boys from down-under ARE the EXPERTS (here on this Forum) on how to place the Sensors. Thank God we don't have the damn things here w/ 1 exception in the U.S.A. (the State of Maryland uses them)



p.s. - Go to the Regional & Local section here on the Forum:
Then select Australia & New Zealand threads...there you'll find many Posts regarding the Poliscan topics.

it's the short angle rears, that gives ya the sh!ts :(

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Originally Posted by RedRocket

The AL-P can handle the Poliscans !
However, it's very important that a non-traditional mounting/install is necessary to protect your vehicle.

If you're in Australia or EU, the boys from down-under ARE the EXPERTS (here on this Forum) on how to place the Sensors. Thank God we don't have the damn things here w/ 1 exception in the U.S.A. (the State of Maryland uses them)



p.s. - Go to the Regional & Local section here on the Forum:
Then select Australia & New Zealand threads...there you'll find many Posts regarding the Poliscan topics.

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Yes. I'm definitely referring to Maryland.
I checked the Australia & New Zealand pages and did not come across any mounting discussions.

Rear heads (dual) need to be angled out between 35 - 40 degrees for rear poliscan shots with both LI and ALP heads. Get them out as far to the corners of the back of the car as your install allows, as these parts of the car will be the first parts to break the scanning lidar beam as it sweeps across the road lanes. Keep them around the level of the licence plate. This is completely against the setup of straight and level for rear hand held protection, so I also have a third center head level and pointing at 0 degrees for some degree of hand held protection.

If you are going to stick with LI, make sure you run on maximum sensitivity in the LI communicator software to give you the best chance of detection. Failure to detect early = failure to jam and punch through. The poliscan's minimum range when you pass is 10m / 33 feet, so every second counts.

ALP's are recommended due to their superior sensitivity over LI, and often the fronts will pick up on back scatter from up the road just before you pass the rear facing unit ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Yh_gW3jXg

(The 'static' type noise in the video is the non-hifi control set of the ALP in pro-mode)

All heads on the ALP (front and back) will fire in response to poliscan, regardless of direction of hit.

However, with rear facing poliscan, nothing is 100% guaranteed, as the shot comes from such a short distance, and the angles and photo position are different for each lane of travel in the road.

HTH

Funnily enough, Blinder include good instructions on their website for poliscan (check out advanced sensor setup section) ;

http://www.blinder.us/installation.html

The irony being that the Blinder HP-905 cannot jam the Vitronic PoliscanSpeed :)

as shown in the advance instruction showing rears its a good start, also my need a center rear for normal lider rear shots (not Polis) as a back up check the no-photo No limits enterprise

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Originally Posted by jarvust

Yes. I'm definitely referring to Maryland.
I checked the Australia & New Zealand pages and did not come across any mounting discussions.

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They are there w/ nice pictures showing the mounting positions, but probably buried deep in some of the Threads.

***Now that I know you're here in the USA, your L.I.s WILL NOT protect you from the DragonEye Lidar gun that MD Troopers use today. Same applies if you drive in Virgina or Delaware...You're burnt TOAST!!!

If you drive faster than PSL you need a 3 Sensor Front AntiLaser "Priority" protection, L.I.s cannot handle the above Lidar guns.
The MD Poli's are usually White Vans or White P/U trucks w/ caps on the rear bed, they shoot you in the back as you pass-by.

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Originally Posted by RedRocket

They are there w/ nice pictures showing the mounting positions, but probably buried deep in some of the Threads.

***Now that I know you're here in the USA, your L.I.s WILL NOT protect you from the DragonEye Lidar gun that MD Troopers use today. Same applies if you drive in Virgina or Delaware...You're burnt TOAST!!!

If you drive faster than PSL you need a 3 Sensor Front AntiLaser "Priority" protection, L.I.s cannot handle the above Lidar guns.
The MD Poli's are usually White Vans or White P/U trucks w/ caps on the rear bed, they shoot you in the back as you pass-by.

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RedRocket, I was going to ask where the Poliscan Units are located in Maryland, thinking that they were stationary locations, before you mentioned that they are usually mounted in vans or p/u trucks w/caps on the rear bed. So, they are mobile and can be anywhere. Would you happen to know the highways/roads in Maryland that the Poliscan Units are most usually encountered? I95? Routes 13/40/896/301? I often drive thru Delaware, to Maryland, from Spring to Fall and wonder where I may possibly encounter them. I have not yet encountered any Poliscan Units in my driving thru Maryland.

They are usually in construction zones but there is always a sign right before the trap letting you know you are in a photo enforced zone. The tickets however are cheap and if you are an out of state resident they can't do much to you if you don't pay. If you are a resident of the state they can prevent you from reregistering your vehicle unless you pay the tickets.

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^ - Above is correct, & they choose the Construction Zones b/c it's easy $$ as the speed limits are reduced to 55mph in those zones. I'm surprised the penalties are not x2 as they are in MOST States when caught above PSL in Construction areas.

Hey Guys:

Thanks for all the helpful posts, they were really informative!
As far as poliscan use in Maryland, it's all over the state and in individual communities. They are mounted everywhere from on the front of parked jeeps and other vehicles in construction zones on major highways/interstates, right down to fixed permanent and semi-permanent cameras (roadside box) in neighborhoods and school zones.

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Originally Posted by RedRocket

^ - Above is correct, & they choose the Construction Zones b/c it's easy $$ as the speed limits are reduced to 55mph in those zones. I'm surprised the penalties are not x2 as they are in MOST States when caught above PSL in Construction areas.

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Here in New Jersey, the speeding fines ARE DOUBLED in construction zones, even if there is no actual construction taking place and no workers present!

I'll have to take a closer look at what the signs say, regarding fines, the next time I drive thru construction zones in Delaware and Maryland.

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Originally Posted by modsl55amg

Here in New Jersey, the speeding fines ARE DOUBLED in construction zones, even if there is no actual construction taking place and no workers present!

I'll have to take a closer look at what the signs say, regarding fines, the next time I drive thru construction zones in Delaware and Maryland.

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Fines can be doubled in construction zones in many states. HOWEVER, if your car is ticketed by a camera in the zone (as opposed to you, the driver, being ticketed by a LEO) there is a possibility the double fine may not apply to a camera ticket. You'd have to see what authority was granted by the each state with respect to camera operation specifically. It may or may not be covered by the doubling authority.

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Originally Posted by jarvust

Fines can be doubled in construction zones in many states. HOWEVER, if your car is ticketed by a camera in the zone (as opposed to you, the driver, being ticketed by a LEO) there is a possibility the double fine may not apply to a camera ticket. You'd have to see what authority was granted by the each state with respect to camera operation specifically. It may or may not be covered by the doubling authority.

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Here in N.J., AFAIK, speed cameras and/or Poliscan cameras are not used, whether it be in a construction zone or elsewhere. If someone is caught speeding in a construction zone or elsewhere, their speed most likely will have been obtained by police or State Troopers, using RADAR or LIDAR. The driver will have an up close and personal visit from the police officer or State Trooper, and will be personally presented with the ticket.