Hello from Maryland! A laser jammer convert.

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10-23-2014, 08:29 PM
TShoot

Hello from Maryland! A laser jammer convert.

Hi everyone.

New to the whole radar/laser jammer concept and thought before it was a bunch of hocus pocus. Guess I was so wrong but I had not checked in about 10 years.

My brother-in-law drives faster more often over longer distances than anyone I know. I asked him how many tickets/points he had. His response - zero. I asked how in God's name was this possible. He told me he installed a laser jammer along with a Escort Redline radar detector. I said okay - sure. I told him that he was the luckiest man alive since they don't work (laser jammers). He swore by them (especially the laser jammer) so I started researching everything I could find on them (mostly Blinder HP905, Laser Interceptor and AL Priority). Read reviews, watched so many YouTube videos on comparisons, tests, etc. and was very impressed. My brother-in-law had a 4 head setup done on his F-150 with Blinder HP905s (front coverage only).

So here I am now - a believer. I figured this forum looked to be one of the most credible.

Location: Maryland just north of Annapolis
Car: Stock BMW 535xi
Driving: Both long distance highway and city

I am leaning towards AL Priority 2 head setup on the front of the BMW until I can afford the other 2 heads for the rear. Not sure about a radar detector yet. Every review seems to favor a different model. Not sure if it is true or not, but I have read in multiple places to put your money into a good laser jammer first and then get a decent radar detector. I also use the application WAZE to help locate police.

I am looking for any info on how to do an self install of the AL Priority system on my BMW 535xi and a reputable installer in Maryland (if anyone knows of one) in case I don't have the time or patience to install it myself.

And, most important, I am hear to learn everything I can about the subject of laser/radar jamming and detecting. Oh, and I would like to get less speeding tickets. :frusty:

Thanks!
10-23-2014, 08:42 PM
curmudgeon

Welcome to RALF. Radar is an even more common threat than LIDAR, and a quality RD should be your first investment. ALP's are far and away the best jammer currently, and, as you will learn, will probably remain so for a number of years. Feel free to ask questions here, there are many good people here (with different opinions) who will be glad to help.
10-23-2014, 08:48 PM
dinkydi

welcome from OZ
10-23-2014, 08:52 PM
RigToFly01

Welcome to RALF from the NYC/CT area! I know it is costly to out fit your car with laser jammers. I know first hand. May I make one recommendation. Rear shots are more rare these days. Go with 3 heads up front on the ALP. I checked your state and the Laser Ally and Dragon Eye Compact are used. With 2 heads the compact will punch through. Protect yourself the best you can. On my car the ALP will jam the compact in the front but when we attempt shooting the rear it will jam it but eventually it does punch. I have yet to have a rear shot out in the wild. Check my signature for install and testing results.

Be aware if you catch the bug it can be very expensive. =)
10-23-2014, 08:56 PM
RigToFly01

Quote:

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

Welcome to RALF. Radar is an even more common threat than LIDAR, and a quality RD should be your first investment. ALP's are far and away the best jammer currently, and, as you will learn, will probably remain so for a number of years. Feel free to ask questions here, there are many good people here (with different opinions) who will be glad to help.

On that note. I have the Passport MAX. If you do a great deal of City driving it will protect you and get fairly quiet after you drive your commute alot and it learns the false alerts. I am not saying it's the best by any means. But it has saved me at least 25+ times. If you do more wide open driving then I would point you in the Redline's Direction.
10-23-2014, 09:28 PM
FJR1300

Welcome!
10-23-2014, 09:36 PM
tmcmenam

You will want to get a radar detector first, especially if you are new to the countermeasure game.

Valentine 1, Escort Redline or Max are you highest performing options.

I havent seen any rear lidar shots in MD so you will probably be good with a front setup if. ALPs & LIs will jam the Poliscan speed camera(which is widely used in MD) usually pointed at the rear of your vehicle.
10-23-2014, 09:48 PM
RedRocket

Welcome to the Forum.That's a great Intro you made & I would also agree a good Radar Detector should be your 1st purchase b/c you're likely to encounter more radar between Local police & State police than Laser.When ready,the AntiLaser Priority is the best Laser countermeasure you can buy at the present time.
Look forward to your participation here.
10-23-2014, 10:06 PM
Yellowcab

Welcome to the forum. Some good sound advice has already been given above. Feel free to ask more questions.
10-23-2014, 10:09 PM
OrlNmE

Welcome to the forum. I can't say much different than what has been said already. A good radar detector first with waze or Escort live, I use both sometimes. And once you get that then save up for ALP. I have 3 in front of my truck and one in the rear until I can buy another one for the rear to complete the rear protection.

I, like you, spent the last 8 years not believing in laser jammers because to many fail to protect you from most lasers and new guns came out so frequently that it was a waste of money. That was until ALPriority came out and I spent 11 months following the results and finally a few months ago I was convinced that this is what I have been waiting for and pulled the trigger To "invest" in them because they where updatable for newer guns in a short time frame !!! ALP will lead the market for many years to come if they continue as they have been by keeping us updated once we own their product with firmware updates to protect us from new threats. Because of this, I have recommended them to many friends.

Sorry for long posting but I understand how you feel about not believing parking sensors really works. Trust ALP after you get a good RD.
10-23-2014, 10:41 PM
oddpedestrian

Welcome from Alaska!
10-23-2014, 11:06 PM
TShoot

Thanks everyone for the great advice so quickly! I guess my first investment will be in a good RD.

A couple of quick questions:

1. With my mid-size 535xi, will 3 ALP heads fit on the front of my car? I have only seen two head setups. It would make sense that 3 would be better than 2 (with my limited knowledge) but I haven't seen it.
2. Does anybody have a link to a pictorial (or video) installation for a 5 Series BMW? I searched but could not find much.
3. Does anybody have a reputable installer for Maryland (Annapolis) area? If not, maybe a number to call or a link of certified installers? It's a big investment and I am not sure I trust my technical abilities

Thanks again everybody for the great advise and lightning fast responses. I think I am really going to like it here!
10-23-2014, 11:13 PM
TShoot

Quote:

Originally Posted by RigToFly01

Welcome to RALF from the NYC/CT area! I know it is costly to out fit your car with laser jammers. I know first hand. May I make one recommendation. Rear shots are more rare these days. Go with 3 heads up front on the ALP. I checked your state and the Laser Ally and Dragon Eye Compact are used. With 2 heads the compact will punch through. Protect yourself the best you can. On my car the ALP will jam the compact in the front but when we attempt shooting the rear it will jam it but eventually it does punch. I have yet to have a rear shot out in the wild. Check my signature for install and testing results.

Be aware if you catch the bug it can be very expensive. =)

Thanks for the great info! How did you know what radar/laser is used in Maryland?
10-23-2014, 11:36 PM
TShoot

Funny thing I forgot to mention which is kind of ironic. I used to do electronic countermeasures (Electronic Warfare - 328x3) while in the US AF. I know the principles, I know techniques and I saw them save pilots lives. I just never thought you could take that military grade technology and port it to a consumer grade product that would actually work. Shame on me.
10-25-2014, 02:47 PM
RigToFly01

Quote:

Originally Posted by TShoot

Thanks for the great info! How did you know what radar/laser is used in Maryland?

http://www.rdforum.org/wiki/index.ph...aphical_Survey
10-25-2014, 07:01 PM
TShoot

Wow, awesome info - thanks!
10-25-2014, 08:06 PM
dragons

Quote:

Originally Posted by TShoot

Thanks everyone for the great advice so quickly! I guess my first investment will be in a good RD.

A couple of quick questions:

1. With my mid-size 535xi, will 3 ALP heads fit on the front of my car? I have only seen two head setups. It would make sense that 3 would be better than 2 (with my limited knowledge) but I haven't seen it.
2. Does anybody have a link to a pictorial (or video) installation for a 5 Series BMW? I searched but could not find much.
3. Does anybody have a reputable installer for Maryland (Annapolis) area? If not, maybe a number to call or a link of certified installers? It's a big investment and I am not sure I trust my technical abilities

Thanks again everybody for the great advise and lightning fast responses. I think I am really going to like it here!

First off welcome :)
1. It would make sense a three head setup would be stronger than a two head setup, that said I think three for a standard passenger car is overkill, I have a Subaru which is obviously a little smaller but is bullet proof so far to any gun tested with it including a Stalker LZ1.
I was considering adding a third head to the front but came to the conclusion it was a waste of money, that said if a reason comes up to add one, I will do it in a heartbeat, but I am not that sure three make a huge difference even for DALA. Just take the time to make sure you have positioned your heads right and aligned correctly.
2. Nope.
3. I think any car stereo installer can put it in for you, but I wouldn't trust anyone but other CM enthusiasts to help get get positioning and alignment correct, I would just get them to install the CPU, pull cables through front and rear then decide where you want the heads yourself.

At the end of all that make sure you get tested with more than one type of LIDAR gun.

So far my setup has saved me a few times, the traffic boys here are a little like the SS, so anything more than a couple of KM/H over they stop you, I've been 30 over a few times yet still no ticket. As long as you JTK you will be fine without attracting unwanted attention.
10-25-2014, 08:27 PM
RigToFly01

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragons

First off welcome :)
1. It would make sense a three head setup would be stronger than a two head setup, that said I think three for a standard passenger car is overkill, I have a Subaru which is obviously a little smaller but is bullet proof so far to any gun tested with it including a Stalker LZ1.
I was considering adding a third head to the front but came to the conclusion it was a waste of money, that said if a reason comes up to add one, I will do it in a heartbeat, but I am not that sure three make a huge difference even for DALA. Just take the time to make sure you have positioned your heads right and aligned correctly.
2. Nope.
3. I think any car stereo installer can put it in for you, but I wouldn't trust anyone but other CM enthusiasts to help get get positioning and alignment correct, I would just get them to install the CPU, pull cables through front and rear then decide where you want the heads yourself.

At the end of all that make sure you get tested with more than one type of LIDAR gun.

So far my setup has saved me a few times, the traffic boys here are a little like the SS, so anything more than a couple of KM/H over they stop you, I've been 30 over a few times yet still no ticket. As long as you JTK you will be fine without attracting unwanted attention.

I have to disagree with you about the DALA. During the last RALETC meet I was shooting a compact. The 3 heads on my car jammed it. The 2 heads on specifics car I was able to get PT's over a 1000'. He has a passenger car. In TShoot's area the Compact is used. If he is going to jump in, He should jump in fully. Why get 2 heads and months from now get tagged by the compact and regret not getting the 3rd head? It seems like a no brainer to me.

As far as the install, I highly recommend getting an overall kill switch. I love mine.
10-25-2014, 08:43 PM
Tman

Welcome Shoot , from Qc Canada land of the banned area.

As all advised : rd first but dont wait too much for hammers ,
as leos dont discriminate good from bad people : they shoot to kill.
10-25-2014, 09:15 PM
curmudgeon

If he can wait for Rob to get back and do the install, he'll be golden
10-25-2014, 10:03 PM
dragons

Quote:

Originally Posted by RigToFly01

I have to disagree with you about the DALA. During the last RALETC meet I was shooting a compact. The 3 heads on my car jammed it. The 2 heads on specifics car I was able to get PT's over a 1000'. He has a passenger car. In TShoot's area the Compact is used. If he is going to jump in, He should jump in fully. Why get 2 heads and months from now get tagged by the compact and regret not getting the 3rd head? It seems like a no brainer to me.

As far as the install, I highly recommend getting an overall kill switch. I love mine.

One thing I learnt really quickly with jammers is how important head angle is a degree or two makes a HUGE difference at least to my own setup, made the difference between JTG and PT's which makes me wonder if in the case you are talking about a little experimentation with head angle would make.
I would love to test this myself if I could lay my hands on a DALA of some description.

Please don't get me wrong, I am by no means saying you are wrong, only suggesting a little bit of experimentation might achieve a much better result.
10-26-2014, 06:44 AM
OrlNmE

Hello from Maryland! A laser jammer convert.

RigToFly01, 95% of the laser guys here only use two heads unless they have a huge front vehicle like I have (Ford Truck) with chrome gills all over. ALP works perfect with two heads. I have personally tested with SadisticPatrons who uses two heads on his Audi and he got 100% JTG.

Over kill is not necessary unless you cannot position the heads correctly and have them properly aligned. Hell, I have one head on my rear vehicle above my license plate, and it's huge rear end which when testing with one head it did great !! I jammed 85% of the 6-7 laser guns tested with.

That's how good one head works. So two is plenty for any car unless they have a huge chromed out front grill like a truck.

Not trying to be rude, but we are giving advice to a newbie. Ideally if we can all afford heads then let's just put four in front and rear, not like it's really necessary with ALP.

I am only speaking from my experience and from all the research I have done in the past year on ALP. I'm sure you have a lot more experience than I do, I'm still a newbie here.

No hard feelings, nothing but love. Here, this is for you. Oxoxox. LoL
10-26-2014, 07:41 AM
specifics

I think what Rig is saying is .... if you want protection and you want "relatively bulletproof protection," why not spent the extra coin to be sure. I have a 2-head set up with the intentions of doing a third only because I wanted to use some cash on other mods on the car and will never be satisfied until I know I'm fully protected in the front.... a third head..... many reasons as found in other "areas" of the forum detail this reason.... If I had my way I would buy two CPU's and load both front and back but the a ticket might be cheaper... lol
10-26-2014, 12:32 PM
OrlNmE

Absolutely true, a third will make you more bullet proof but would you where three bullet proof vests when you know one or two is enough? Lol just being crazy now!!
10-26-2014, 05:19 PM
specifics

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrlNmE

Absolutely true, a third will make you more bullet proof but would you where three bullet proof vests when you know one or two is enough? Lol just being crazy now!!

Dude.... I'd wear 10.....:nevreness:
10-26-2014, 06:28 PM
TShoot

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I am good with putting 3 or 4 in the front if it gives me extra protection and adding the back two later. I don't care as much as overkill but I want to make sure they aren't going to interfere with each other in any way.

Take a look at the attached photo and let me know what you think the ideal positioning would be. I was thinking 4 along the bottom in the red box.

Attachment 2822

Who is Rob and when will he be back?
10-26-2014, 07:32 PM
Yellowcab

Quote:

Originally Posted by TShoot

I am good with putting 3 or 4 in the front if it gives me extra protection and adding the back two later. I don't care as much as overkill but I want to make sure they aren't going to interfere with each other in any way.

Take a look at the attached photo and let me know what you think the ideal positioning would be. I was thinking 4 along the bottom in the red box.

Attachment 2822

Who is Rob and when will he be back?

If you are going with 2 heads then yellow is the way to go. If you are gong with three, then mount using the blue locations and the third in the midway between the yellow marks.
10-26-2014, 08:31 PM
TShoot

Sounds great - thanks for the info Yellowcab.
10-26-2014, 08:42 PM
TShoot

To everyone..... I really appreciate all of the feedback. I realize I am a "newbie" on THIS forum but I plan to contribute as much as I can. Thanks for being patient with all of the questions.
10-26-2014, 08:43 PM
Yellowcab

If it was my car, I would go three.
10-26-2014, 08:44 PM
Yellowcab

Quote:

Originally Posted by TShoot

To everyone..... I really appreciate all of the feedback. I realize I am a "newbie" on THIS forum but I plan to contribute as much as I can. Thanks for being patient with all of the questions.

Keep asking questions. As much as it helps you, it also helps the more experienced members by us having to think these issues out. It also help out the other newer members.
10-26-2014, 08:50 PM
TShoot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellowcab

If it was my car, I would go three.

That's my plan - thanks for the advice on setup.
10-26-2014, 09:56 PM
RedRocket

Quote:

Originally Posted by TShoot

Attachment 2822

Who is Rob and when will he be back?

Go back to your Post in "Maryland Installer for ALP Setup for BMW 535". (RALF INSTALLERS and TESTERS)
Radarrob left you a reply.
10-27-2014, 06:55 AM
TShoot

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedRocket

Go back to your Post in "Maryland Installer for ALP Setup for BMW 535". (RALF INSTALLERS and TESTERS)
Radarrob left you a reply.

Thanks, I thought I would get an auto-reply from the forum since I started the thread. I didn't see your or his response. Thanks. I guess I need to set up "instant" notifications to see replies in a timely manner.