ALP Not Working - Video

Hey all,

Got warm today after a few weeks of sub zero temps (Celsius), and I powered on my car and started getting a bunch of errors from my ALP (on iPhone with BT module/ALP Connect).

Over the span of about 30 minutes, it got progressively worse. Starting with Error 3 sensor defective, it now won't power on. With the BT/App it sounds like it is constantly cycling on and off, and with BT off on the phone and the app closed, I cannot use the control pad to turn the unit on - I get nothing.

Video shows me removing and reinstalling the USB as I use the privacy key, but that doesn't change the result.

I would like to remove the BT module to see if it is having issues and go direct with the control pad, but the whole thing was buried under the steering column by the installer and I don't want to rip apart the trim trying to get to it without having the proper tools on hand to do so.

Has anyone experienced anything like this?

https://youtu.be/oLtIELZVq6o

Just to add more to the story today...

I managed to gain access to the control box. With the control set plugged directly into the control box, and the USB key plugged directly rather than through the extension cable I was unable to get the unit, the control set, or the remote LED to indicate that it had any form of life.

I plugged the BT module back into the control box, powered on the car and all the module would do was flash the green light and click while the app made the same sound as in the video from the original post.

Is the control box defective?

Hi There,
is there any solution for your problem found, cause it seem‘s to happen i‘m having a similar problem with my new installed ALP - have checked all cabling and power voltage - but simply no life from the control set but once the bluetooth module is connected the green light is flashing slowly.
if i start the IOS App its is showing white car and bluetooth connecting- disconnecting in a 1-2sec cycle - no function of the App operateabl.
kind regards, Mike

Try a name brand new USB Drive and make sure its a native USB 2.0 drive and 16GB or less and put a fresh copy of the key on it and see if you have the same issues.

Okl, here i am back again - my AL-P system is working again - therefore i had to send my bluetooth module and the control box to the european repair center - they fixed the box and checked it as well as the bluetooth module, which was ok - so i got it back today and re-installed everything - updated the firmware - but to my surprise even if the system is armed in defense mode it does not detect PoliScan towers - even if i drive by the tower - already tried several towers without success - the power on self test is runing fine - the parking sensor mode is working withour probs -
somebody have a clue what can be wrong ?

Okl, here i am back again - my AL-P system is working again - therefore i had to send my bluetooth module and the control box to the european repair center - they fixed the box and checked it as well as the bluetooth module, which was ok - so i got it back today and re-installed everything - updated the firmware - but to my surprise even if the system is armed in defense mode it does not detect PoliScan towers - even if i drive by the tower - already tried several towers without success - the power on self test is runing fine - the parking sensor mode is working withour probs -
somebody have a clue what can be wrong ?

Sounds strange, the latest firmware definitely detects Poliscan here.

Are you sure its not been turned off in your configuration file, and Poliscan False Detection (PFR) is turned off ;

http://www.alpupdate.com/Configure

Sounds strange, the latest firmware definitely detects Poliscan here.

Are you sure its not been turned off in your configuration file, and Poliscan False Detection (PFR) is turned off ;

http://www.alpupdate.com/Configure

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Originally Posted by winterbrew

Sounds strange, the latest firmware definitely detects Poliscan here.

Are you sure its not been turned off in your configuration file, and Poliscan False Detection (PFR) is turned off ;

http://www.alpupdate.com/Configure

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thanks for your quick reply - the config.alp is having mostly standard values except volume changes and defender mode selection - today i had two towers which were detected - one in about 200m - which is enaugh inside villages - one i havent noticed where it was - maybe flase alarm

I need more time for verification to really get a reasonable result - do you know how long the usual detection distance is ? is it possible to have only 20-30m on fixed towers - btw. yesterday i was shot by a LeifTec laser gun which was greatly detected from about 250m - this is impressive

regards, Mike

From mobile tripod poliscans facing the front of the car, and not sharply angled across the road, I typically get 450m

The worst I ever got was a front facer, obscurred by a bush until the last minute, and angled at 45 degrees across the road - about 130m, still well outside the maximum range of 75m.

We don't have the fixed towers/pillars here, so hard to compare directly.

Here's one of the better detections ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbsJVgF1ag

This looks great - impressive result - today evening i had some time to drive around in the Mannheim/Ludwighafen Area of Germany - lots of PoliScan Towers - and guess what .. most of them were directly detected - in Range from 80m to 500m - 500m was on an empty three lane road which was wet (reflection of wet roads increases range) - tower was on traffic lamp island to the right - this was amazing - so it looks like my ALP is really working after the repair - found two towers, which did not work from either direction - maybe they switch them off over night ?? cause i could not detect anything from either direction - a few towers were only shooting in one direction - those have only three black rings - those with four rings are shooting in both directions
the story continues..

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Originally Posted by Michael_MA

thanks for your quick reply - the config.alp is having mostly standard values except volume changes and defender mode selection - today i had two towers which were detected - one in about 200m - which is enaugh inside villages - one i havent noticed where it was - maybe flase alarm

I need more time for verification to really get a reasonable result - do you know how long the usual detection distance is ? is it possible to have only 20-30m on fixed towers - btw. yesterday i was shot by a LeifTec laser gun which was greatly detected from about 250m - this is impressive

regards, Mike

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PoliScan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrlm8y8OpYc

LeivTec Lidar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffBk8B1QfI

Well, it looks like i have a new record in detecting a fixed poliscan tower (pst) - did evaluate the results of my dashcam and it looks like i drover 70 Km/h average for 44 sec between the detection and the location of the pst - i was raining on a three lane road with only a few cars in front of me - this is stunning and clearly shows what the system is capable of - im amazed

The other cool thing is - i discovered an so called "speed enforcement trailer" looks like a big rock from the side and from the rear like an trailer covered with a curtain - has the same speed checking technology as the towers but can be detached from car and left on the side of the road running on batteries for a week - this "rock" is sending pictures directly via cellular network -

be aware of ...

http://radarandlaserforum.com/image/...mbxhwXvCA//9k=

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...yXsky0ozBYoTUP

Do you have the lidar based Jenoptik TraffiStar S350 (similar operation to Poliscan)?

We have them now as well as Poliscan. Poliscan detection is great, but TraffiStar detection is often only 70 - 90m for a front facing unit.

I've been encountering Traffistar more and more often recently, I have wondered if they are replacing the Poli's slowly.

hmm .. not that i'm aware of in my area - they have these towers with road buried piezo sensors, but not with LIDAR technology - PoliScans are the unsung hero's here in the Heidelberg/Mannheim Area - i've seen videos on YT where S350s mobile trailer were placed in the Cologne/Dusseldorf Area in a similar form as the law enforcement trailer from Vitronic - they were placed ilegally on the Highways A40/A46 in contruction sites by the local/ Town communities - in the state of NRW it is not allowed town/communities to place mobile traffic control equipment on higfhways - only police is allowed to do that -

here is a video of the PoliScan installation in NRW: (sorry the video creator made it in german only - i can try to translate most important infos, if anybody is interested)

https://youtu.be/_eO-I9im9cQ


On the other hand, the Jenoptik TraffiStar S350 is officially known here in germany to have a measure range, which is not meeting german law regulations - the range was found to be too short wit 8.31m - the min requirement by the certification is 10.0m - there is a smart layer for road traffic law has done quite some stirring up and has a great video explaining this fact - affected communities which use the S350 have been notified by Jenoptik to shutdown the operation until this issue is clarified and the certification is activated again.

here is the video of the layer - for those of you understanding a bit german:

https://youtu.be/_eO-I9im9cQ

sorry i copied the YT link twice - since i cannot edit my post (waited 15mins after pressing edit post.. ) can an admin remove the last link above and add the following one - Thanks in advance !

https://youtu.be/FWW4lkJNi1U

Many thanks - didn't realise you can turn on auto-translated CC / subtitles on the last video

He mentions he has a copy of the manual, but I can't find it anywhere on the net ?

I'm still trying to find out what the minimum / maximum range of the S350 is. Looks like we know from above, the minimum is 8.31 m :)

Do you know if it can take pictures from behind as well like the Poliscan (picture of the rear of the car). Here, the police do not need a picture of who was driving, so often Poliscan's flash from behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xn-8Gdtsq8

i'm glad you found a way to transloate it - even though its a somehow strange translation of the subtitles :)
Hmmm.. he got the S350 manual .. no idea where he got it from .. didn't find it either - but i found the official german law regulation from the P(hysikalische) T(echnische) B(undesanstalt) in its newest form - it clearly states 10m to be the least requirement for any laser speed measurement device - the 8,31m was the "special" range of the S350 :) which is not meeting the german requirements.
https://www.ptb.de/cms/fileadmin/int....20151031B.pdf

just scannes across the various sources, it seems the traffistar s350 could also do photos from behing, but therefore need at least four mounting levels - for each direction it needs a scanner with camera and a flash which is mostly on top of the scanners - with only three mounting levels it can only detect/shoot one direction - in germany its reuired to see one face AND the license plate on the photo - if a motorcycle is detected it could also be shot additionally from the rear - in switzerland and austria most speeding eqipment is shooting from behind ..

in the meanwhile i'm completely confident my repaired ALP is really working - just came home from a trip to Cologne and ALP detected two mobile speed traps on th A3 highway - but one of them was found out to be a toll bridge, which are used in germany to automatically bill the toll for the trucks - its the same technology from Vitronic like in the PoliScan speed ..

Just found another interesting Video on YT in regards to the S350 - it shows pretty good the size of the Scanner/Camera unit and the Flash unit:

https://youtu.be/QNd-sbMXDv4

Thanks - they run the S350 tripods here without the white outer enclosure, probably beacuse a black unit is easier to hide in the bushes (they paint the Poliscan mobile tripod enclosures green here :) )

Yeah.. They have these green tripods over here as well - and they are very creative in hiding (well, we have no bushes :) but behind edges, buildings or even cars - specially in those conditions where your sight is departed or obstructed by traffic :(


since i'm getting more and more experience in detection of these green buggers, i also do recognize a pattern where the towers are switched on and or off in directions by time - so in some cases they try to follow the traffic into and out of cities not leaving both directions on all the time - some of the towers are completely switched off over night since we have great law regulations where you are not allowed to be blinded with a daylight flash over night.. but then they have these special falsely called "blacklight" flashes (which are actually near IR) where you only see a very dark red dim flash - they use them specially in tunnels over here - havent seen one yet, but heard of - here i found a datasheet from a company specialized in building these:

https://www.phoxene.com/wp-content/u...ct%20Guide.pdf

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Originally Posted by Michael_MA

hmm .. not that i'm aware of in my area - they have these towers with road buried piezo sensors, but not with LIDAR technology - PoliScans are the unsung hero's here in the Heidelberg/Mannheim Area - i've seen videos on YT where S350s mobile trailer were placed in the Cologne/Dusseldorf Area in a similar form as the law enforcement trailer from Vitronic - they were placed ilegally on the Highways A40/A46 in contruction sites by the local/ Town communities - in the state of NRW it is not allowed town/communities to place mobile traffic control equipment on higfhways - only police is allowed to do that -

here is a video of the PoliScan installation in NRW: (sorry the video creator made it in german only - i can try to translate most important infos, if anybody is interested)

https://youtu.be/_eO-I9im9cQ


On the other hand, the Jenoptik TraffiStar S350 is officially known here in germany to have a measure range, which is not meeting german law regulations - the range was found to be too short wit 8.31m - the min requirement by the certification is 10.0m - there is a smart layer for road traffic law has done quite some stirring up and has a great video explaining this fact - affected communities which use the S350 have been notified by Jenoptik to shutdown the operation until this issue is clarified and the certification is activated again.

here is the video of the layer - for those of you understanding a bit german:

https://youtu.be/_eO-I9im9cQ

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The trailer enclosure is here now :)

http://radarandlaserforum.com/showth...8539#post68539

put it on RDF see what re action we get :chuncky:
https://www.rdforum.org/index.php?threads/73119/

double post some thing about 29 sec delay