ALP errors, what's wrong with my device?

[lamster]

Hi, I installed my dual alp recently and I am having trouble with them. :frusty: . I tried factory resetting the alp couple of times, no use at all.

First, the alp stays in parking mode only until i walk past both sensors. I must walk past both sensors in order for it to go into defense mode(blue led). When the alp is in parking mode, I cannot enter menu mode or anything besides turning off/on the device.

The second issue i am having is my alp will spazz out non stop when it detects a laser. I went ahead and used my bushnell tour v4 to shoot the head and the alp does "somewhat" jams but i would still get some punch-through(directly shooting maybe 2 inch above the heads and i'm about 15-20yd away). After i stop shooting, my alp control box is still stuck on alert mode and won't stop. :confused:


I pulled the stats for the alp: (the connection is 1 and 3 because i pulled my center head out for warranty. I tried connecting the connection into slot 1 and 2 but did not fix any of my errors).

Device information

Serial number xxxxxxx
CPU Hardware version 2
Firmware version 5.2.3
Region North America
Power Cycles 1323
Control Set FW version 3.6
Control Set HW version 1
Activated locks not active
Hardware version 2
Connected sensors

Connected sensors (memorized) Front1, Front3
Connected sensors (actual) Front1, Front3
Connected TX sensors (stored)
Connected TX sensors (actual)
Profile A

Settings

Audio Volume 3
Parking detection range 9
Silent Power-up Disabled
Dark Mode Dimmed
Parking enabled sensors
GPS Antenna None
PDC Speed Limit NONE
Working mode Parking and Laser Interference Defense
Pro mode Enabled
LID Speed Limit NONE
Below set LID Speed Limit PDC & DLI
Radar Antenna Model Not Connected
Radar Settings
LID Time Unlimited – Test purposes
After LID timeout DLI & Warm up
Audio volume of Laser Alerts 6
Audio volume of Radar Alerts 6
Menu button short press function None

Video of the issue: (I had to get out my car, walk past both heads, before it went into defense mode)

https://youtu.be/RRVzpllPvYs

[BestRadarDetectors]

Are you in garage? Defense mode won't initiate if sensors are blocked. You are probably getting parking sensor alerts because you are too close to an object.

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[RedRocket]

Reduce your Parking defense range from 9 down to 3.
You'll be getting Parking Errors from vehicles or garage wall within 25-30ft (or more).

[lamster]

Are you in garage? Defense mode won't initiate if sensors are blocked. You are probably getting parking sensor alerts because you are too close to an object.

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Im parked outside where no car / obstacle in the way.
Also i have parking defense off

[lamster]

I was parked outside so nothing was blocking in front and I also have the parking mode for sensor turned off

[BestRadarDetectors]

Post a photo of the front of the car. If sensors are recessed and not flush with the front of the vehicle you will have its transmitters being seen buy its receivers. Even if you turn off parking the sensors will still pulse parking signals and you are only turning off the alerts and the system will not startup if the system is receiving interference from its own parking pulses.

[lamster]

Driver side
5322
5323

Passenger side
5324
5325

[RedRocket]

***Important - where was your car parked in your OP (#1 Post, above) ??? - Was it in the driveway next to that chain link fence I see in Post #7 ?
Well the Sensors are mounted ok. - Did you change the Parking detector range to 3 & see if that stopped the constant Alert ?
Being parked next to that fence so close on one side could very well be your problem. The sensors could be getting reflections from the fence about 10-15ft away caused by IR beam divergence. The Priority is a very sensitive receiver circuit.

Move your car so there is nothing within 180 degrees of the Front/Sides of the car for 50ft+, & then turn on the AL-P & see what happens.

[beingaware]

Happened to me about 14 months ago.

Would spaz out detecting "Poliscan" randomly.

I suggest disconnecting one head and see if the issue stops, if not, switch around which head you've disconnected and see if it stops.
If it stops spazzing, then you know you have a faulty head, if it continues after that, you have a faulty ECU.

In my case, it was a faulty head, had it replaced under warranty and haven't had an issue since.

[RedRocket]

Happened to me about 14 months ago.

Would spaz out detecting "Poliscan" randomly.

I suggest disconnecting one head and see if the issue stops, if not, switch around which head you've disconnected and see if it stops.
If it stops spazzing, then you know you have a faulty head, if it continues after that, you have a faulty ECU.

In my case, it was a faulty head, had it replaced under warranty and haven't had an issue since.Was trying to walk him thru a step at a time & not throw to many variables into the mix all at once to confuse him. Your suggestion would have been my next attempt, too.

Tks,ba.

[lamster]

Thanks for your help, I moved away from the fence and It stopped spazzing on me but occasionally I still need to walk past the passenger side sensors to activate "defense mode". If I don't, the LED would stay green the entire time
If I only connect my driver side, it would activate defense mode on its own.
Red rocket for the PDC range, I disabled it

[BestRadarDetectors]

Thanks for your help, I moved away from the fence and It stopped spazzing on me but occasionally I still need to walk past the passenger side sensors to activate "defense mode". If I don't, the LED would stay green the entire time
If I only connect my driver side, it would activate defense mode on its own.
Red rocket for the PDC range, I disabled it

Even if you disable the PDC Range the sensors will still work as parking sensors but just not alert you. If sensors are blocked at startup you might still have a startup delay in getting to defense mode.

[RedRocket]

Even if you disable the PDC Range the sensors will still work as parking sensors but just not alert you. If sensors are blocked at startup you might still have a startup delay in getting to defense mode.This is why you do not switch to Blue defense mode. The Pass. sensor still "sees" a tiny amount of reflection coming back to it from the fence...but not quite enough to cause a "fault" condition. When you momentarily walk in front of the Pass. sensor, that blocks the IR reflection for a split second which is just enough to satisfy the sensor that all is good. Park in the street & it should boot-up normally ! Lastly, if you were to pull out of your driveway still in the Green LED condition on the "Control Set"...once you cleared the fence & are onto the street the ALP will automatically switch to Blue condition on its own.


Thanks for your help, I moved away from the fence and It stopped spazzing on me but occasionally I still need to walk past the passenger side sensors to activate "defense mode". If I don't, the LED would stay green the entire time
If I only connect my driver side, it would activate defense mode on its own.
Red rocket for the PDC range, I disabled itIt was your video in Post #1 that provided the clue of what was happening. When you shot the ALP w/ the blue "TourV4" (range finder?) & it went into constant alarm condition, I recognized what was happening. The full output IR power of the Sensor was now reflecting off the chain link fence & the sensor was fooled by its own reflection thinking it was a legit threat. That's why it kept "firing" constantly. You should turn PDC back on & set the range to 3 as I suggested previously...just don't park so close to the fence anymore.

I think I know what you do in the Military if you're using a range finder, or maybe you're a very good Golfer. - lol

[lamster]

[QUOTE=RedRocket;62183]This is why you do not switch to Blue defense mode. The Pass. sensor still "sees" a tiny amount of reflection coming back to it from the fence...but not quite enough to cause a "fault" condition. When you momentarily walk in front of the Pass. sensor, that blocks the IR reflection for a split second which is just enough to satisfy the sensor that all is good. Park in the street & it should boot-up normally ! Lastly, if you were to pull out of your driveway still in the Green LED condition on the "Control Set"...once you cleared the fence & are onto the street the ALP will automatically switch to Blue condition on its own.

I drove on the highway for about an hour and it stayed green lol, really strange. Wish i recorded that when it happened.
Purchased the range finder to play golf on the weekend :p

[RedRocket]

lamster

Guess we have more work to do...

*Important -What type Thumb drive (ver. 2.0 or 3.0 ?) are you using, its storage capacity & what is brand name of it ?
1.What "Ports" on the "Control Box" (CPU) do you have the 2 Sensors plugged into ?
2.I ask that you place a label on each of the 2 cable ends close to the connector in the cabin, & I.D. one as Driver & other Pass.(for more troubleshooting if necessary later on)

It's possible f/w got corrupted somehow when loading into the Control Box from a USB thumb drive b/c of your ongoing fault problems. It's possible a sensor is bad,but lets do things a couple of steps at a time to try to figure out what is going on. Before we proceed further I'll wait for above answers & BRD's request in Post #16.

p.s. - I'll be unavailable Fri. & Sat to offer any help here.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Pull a statistics report and post the settings less your serial number.

[lamster]

Pull a statistics report and post the settings less your serial number.

CPU Hardware version 2
Firmware version 5.2.3
Region North America
Power Cycles 1350
Control Set FW version 3.6
Control Set HW version 1
Activated locks not active
Hardware version 2
Connected sensors

Connected sensors (memorized) Front1
Connected sensors (actual) Front1
Connected TX sensors (stored)
Connected TX sensors (actual)
Profile A

Settings

Audio Volume 3
Parking detection range 3
Silent Power-up Disabled
Dark Mode Dimmed
Parking enabled sensors Front1, Front2, Front3
GPS Antenna None
PDC Speed Limit NONE
Working mode Parking and Laser Interference Defense
Pro mode Enabled
LID Speed Limit NONE
Below set LID Speed Limit PDC & DLI
Radar Antenna Model Not Connected
Radar Settings
LID Time Unlimited – Test purposes
After LID timeout DLI & Warm up
Audio volume of Laser Alerts 6
Audio volume of Radar Alerts 6
Menu button short press function None
Specific LID settings

Vitronic Poliscan
Speed scanner Enabled
Unicam Camera
Section speed control Front sensors ON
NJL SCS
Speed-laser Enabled
Riegl
Speed-laser Enabled
Trafic Observer
Speed scanner Enabled
Stalker
Speed-laser Maximum Power
ARH TrafficSpot
Speed scanner Disabled


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RedRocket ill have a short clip for you in just a few moments. Apparently my driver sensor seemed to died now -.-, thats gonna be my 2nd sensor dead from my triple setup

[BestRadarDetectors]

Only one sensor shows attached.if you had more than one sensor fail you need to inspect your wiring and make sure no wires are pinched or nicked.

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[RedRocket]

Only one sensor shows attached.if you had more than one sensor fail you need to inspect your wiring and make sure no wires are pinched or nicked.Agree, something is seriously wrong if Sensors are failing like this, may be best to stop putting 12v power to the Priority until you completely check wiring and for bent pins in the connectors.

Unless you have some electrical/electronics experience in troubleshooting this problem, you need someone to help you that does have knowledge.- What State are you located ?

[lamster]

Only one sensor shows attached.if you had more than one sensor fail you need to inspect your wiring and make sure no wires are pinched or nicked.

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Agree, something is seriously wrong if Sensors are failing like this, may be best to stop putting 12v power to the Priority until you completely check wiring and for bent pins in the connectors.

Unless you have some electrical/electronics experience in troubleshooting this problem, you need someone to help you that does have knowledge.- What State are you located ?
Im graduated with an b.s. electrical engineer degree.
Checked all the wires, i even tried connecting the driver side alp to the "center alp connector", didn't change a thing.
Here's some clips of today, i wish i could combined them all for you:
https://youtu.be/hI3LhUIINmE .(Once i cover the driver side alp, i get a series of beep)
https://youtu.be/W9xPiSJg9Oc
https://youtu.be/54aif3qMHPg

[RedRocket]

lamster

1.Do you have Basic "Control Set" or HiFi version ?
2.Are you using Thumb Drive version USB 2.0(ONLY) & 8 or 16Gb

[lamster]

lamster

1.Do you have Basic "Control Set" or HiFi version ?
Using the control set, i wish i got the hifi
2.Are you using Thumb Drive version USB 2.0(ONLY) & 8 or 16Gb
I'm using "Kootion key USB 2.0 32gb"

BTW once i unplugged the driver side alp, alp starts up normally.

[RedRocket]

I'm using "Kootion key USB 2.0 32gb"

BTW once i unplugged the driver side alp, alp starts up normally.While I've really wanted to help you resolved your problems, I just can't work w/ you any longer. I've asked you a number of times specific questions, all I ever get from you are partial answers or complete avoidance to specific inquiry & you've worn out my limited patience. If you take some time to look/read the "Sticky Threads" in the AntiLaser Section on the "how to do's" of getting the system up & programmed correctly,it may help. I seem to remember that you cannot have "Profile" (which I see in your Stats listing) unless you have the HiFi option, last I remember this feature is not permitted w/ the Basic Control Set pad(& why I asked what you had)...I'll admit this may have been changed over time by AL & I just missed its add-on(to Basic Control Set) now.

It could be you have a duality of problems like bad Sensors + faulty f/w in either/both the Control Set & the Control Box. I do know that it was recommended by BRD/AL that users should not use 32Gb Thumb Drives. (I use SanDisk 'Cruzer' 8 or 16Gb USB 2.0 Flash Drives & have never had a problem). Perhaps just using the 1 good Sensor you're sure is good in the F1 slot while trying a different USB Drive of appropriate capacity & a fresh download from the ALupdate website might help.

I'm off the Forum for a while to TCB & wish you good luck w/ efforts to fix your install problems.

[lamster]

While I've really wanted to help you resolved your problems, I just can't work w/ you any longer. I've asked you a number of times specific questions, all I ever get from you are partial answers or complete avoidance to specific inquiry & you've worn out my limited patience. If you take some time to look/read the "Sticky Threads" in the AntiLaser Section on the "how to do's" of getting the system up & programmed correctly,it may help. I seem to remember that you cannot have "Profile" (which I see in your Stats listing) unless you have the HiFi option, last I remember this feature is not permitted w/ the Basic Control Set pad(& why I asked what you had)...I'll admit this may have been changed over time by AL & I just missed its add-on(to Basic Control Set) now.

It could be you have a duality of problems like bad Sensors + faulty f/w in either/both the Control Set & the Control Box. I do know that it was recommended by BRD/AL that users should not use 32Gb Thumb Drives. (I use SanDisk 'Cruzer' 8 or 16Gb USB 2.0 Flash Drives & have never had a problem). Perhaps just using the 1 good Sensor you're sure is good in the F1 slot while trying a different USB Drive of appropriate capacity & a fresh download from the ALupdate website might help.

I'm off the Forum for a while to TCB & wish you good luck w/ efforts to fix your install problems.

Thanks for your effort, i did answer all of your questions so i am not sure what you are referring to. I did not set up any profile, alp automatically have profile a,b,c. I followed all the steps from the sticky threat. Even after factory reset and reloading the config, again profile a,b,c appears.
I never heard that it is recommended to use a 8gb or 16gb usb drive, i figured it would not make any difference...
If i missed anything please let me know

[dinkydi]

may be have a clean start,back to basics with std controller, just use the two outer sensors f1/f2, do a factory reset, as on page 11 can be confusing a little, also a manual check on page 12 if need to,fw up grade for controller, and then cpu, ,then set up, all one at a time,
car outside display green, gps lock display yellow, above speed gps setting goes over to blue


@lampster
First, the alp stays in parking mode only until i walk past both sensors. I must walk past both sensors in order for it to go into defense mode(blue led).( should stay in parking mode)

[RedRocket]

Agree, something is seriously wrong if Sensors are failing like this, may be best to stop putting 12v power to the Priority until you completely check wiring and for bent pins in the connectors.

Unless you have some electrical/electronics experience in troubleshooting this problem, you need someone to help you that does have knowledge.- What State are you located ? <----You didn't answer this question, I only asked b/c if you were nearby me I was willing to meet w/ you to help troubleshoot your problem.


***Important - where was your car parked in your OP (#1 Post, above) ??? - Was it in the driveway next to that chain link fence I see in Post #7 ? <---- I expect a direct answer, eg: Yes it was .
Well the Sensors are mounted ok. - Did you change the Parking detector range to 3 & see if that stopped the constant Alert ?
Being parked next to that fence so close on one side could very well be your problem. The sensors could be getting reflections from the fence about 10-15ft away caused by IR beam divergence. The Priority is a very sensitive receiver circuit.

Move your car so there is nothing within 180 degrees of the Front/Sides of the car for 50ft+, & then turn on the AL-P & see what happens.


lamster

1.Do you have Basic "Control Set" or HiFi version ? <---- Yet another ques. you did not answer !
2.Are you using Thumb Drive version USB 2.0(ONLY) & 8 or 16Gb


Thanks for your effort, i did answer all of your questions so i am not sure what you are referring to. I did not set up any profile, alp automatically have profile a,b,c. I followed all the steps from the sticky threat. Even after factory reset and reloading the config, again profile a,b,c appears.
I never heard that it is recommended to use a 8gb or 16gb usb drive, i figured it would not make any difference... <---- it's been recommended numerous times in many Threads here ! here is just one of countless times: www.radarandlaserforum.com/showthread.php/8263-Firmware-Version-Configuration-issues?highlight=16gb see Post #2
If i missed anything please let me know lamster

Do you now get the point of why I accuse you of not answering questions ? - Yes, I can be a lil anal about things, but that's my nature & I'm not going to change for you or anyone else.

[lamster]

RedRocket, sorry i did miss some of your questions and thank you for your help. I appreciate all your effort and support.
I live in buffalo NY and yes the drive way is next to a chain fence, shared drive way. For the control set, i answered in post #22, I'm using the basic control set and thats the firmware i downloaded.
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I received a replacement head and plugged that head into the driver side and works perfectly. It seems like its a head error, most likely a pinched wire. The sensor head wire might have been pinched from the bumper.

I'll take a picture of my setup wiring tomorrow, and maybe i can get some input on my wiring?

[RedRocket]

RedRocket, sorry i did miss some of your questions and thank you for your help. I appreciate all your effort and support.
I live in buffalo NY and yes the drive way is next to a chain fence, shared drive way. For the control set, i answered in post #22, I'm using the basic control set and thats the firmware i downloaded.
-
I received a replacement head and plugged that head into the driver side and works perfectly. It seems like its a head error, most likely a pinched wire. The sensor head wire might have been pinched from the bumper.

I'll take a picture of my setup wiring tomorrow, and maybe i can get some input on my wiring?Whaddya know, born n' raised there myself. Congrats on solving your problems !
I visit there once in a while & do have some requests from other members here on the Forum for Testing in the area (which I also do). If you're active here & participate maybe the locals might extend an invitation to an event...time will tell. There is nothing planned at the present time though,AFAIK.