RALETC: The Truth Must Be Told

[Mirage]

Does Laser Interceptor still protect the community? Now even more guns are exposed. This time a gun already on the ICAP conforming list. The Stalker XLR. Why?

AL Priority continues to provide the best lidar defense in the industry! Welcome the new King of Jammers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz5eEfhYFOU


***Special thanks to WonHunglo for helping with the testing today! Couldn't have done it without you.

[RedRocket]

ALL Hail the new KING ! :hail:

[Yellowcab]

Just to let everyone know. In the RALETC JammerFest 2013 the "Not a DALA" was the Stalker XLR. When I first got the Stalker XLR, and we tested if against my own cars which were equipped with LI 8.9 HPs with 8.06 firmware there was an IPT, we updated the firmware to 8.14 and still had IPT on both front and rear of my car. We then updated another CPU to thinking it may be a bad CPU and still got IPTs. We then tested it against the Stalker LIDAR versions 3.5 then 5.8 and the Stalker LR and the car was JTG/JFG. I called up Cliff from Laser Interceptor, he didn't answer the phone since he doesn't take my calls anymore and I left him a voice mail that that there was a problem with the LIs and the Stalker XLR. HE NEVER REPLIED.

[Mirage]

What I don't like is the fact that there really is nothing special about this gun pulse wise, but it is on the IACP conforming products list. That used to be the driving factor as to whether or not Laser Interceptor supported a gun. I just can't believe how far they have fallen. It's been close to a year since the last update and there are still guns they do not support.

http://www.theiacp.org/portals/0/pdfs/Combined-CPL.pdf

[Yellowcab]

To quote a former friend of mine, "Where is the outrage?"

[THX1138]

What does the Stalker XLR do differently to cause a no alert/no jam on LI?

[Mirage]

What does the Stalker XLR do differently to cause a no alert/no jam on LI?

It alerts. It just alerts as a Stalker LZ1. I haven't looked at the pulse train on the XLR yet, but I suspect it is the same pulse rate however probably has some skipped timing pulses to throw off jammers.

[Yellowcab]

What does the Stalker XLR do differently to cause a no alert/no jam on LI?

It alerts, but it doesn't jam.

The blinder hp905 jams it.

[specifics]

To quote a former friend of mine, "Where is the outrage?"

I have been feeling quite betrayed by Laser Interceptor in recent months and have also tried to reach out to them personally without response as a consumer that was one of Cliff's/LI's biggest fans.... There is never words for the feelings that accompany spending money and tossed to the curb once the transaction(s) are through. Have the b*lls to say "I've given up on the product, or have moved on" not silence.... To me, silence is the biggest insult a person can deliver....

I am outraged at the whole LI way of handling things.... From over the top customer service to nothing.... unless he has health issues there is nothing right here...

[wolfpacal]

Is LI headed the way of Blackberry? Dead man walking? In any event, I'm ordering my quad ALP today. Time to sell the LI's.

[Vortex]

It's great seeing this information being shared with the public. Thank you for releasing it. It helps educate the community so that everyone is more well informed, and it also helps light the fire under jammer manufacturers to release new updates. This is the cat and mouse game between new guns and new updates in action.

In the video you mention that it jams all known and unknown lidar devices. That's a pretty big claim, a very important capability. Jammers like the LI and 905's use lookup tables to recognize known pulse patterns and then jam accordingly, and they also have generic jamming algorithms for unknown guns that they can use as well, but obviously that doesn't work for all guns out there.

What's different about the ALPs that let it jam ALL known and unknown guns?

[BestRadarDetectors]

It's great seeing this information being shared with the public. Thank you for releasing it. It helps educate the community so that everyone is more well informed, and it also helps light the fire under jammer manufacturers to release new updates. This is the cat and mouse game between new guns and new updates in action.

In the video you mention that it jams all known and unknown lidar devices. That's a pretty big claim, a very important capability. Jammers like the LI and 905's use lookup tables to recognize known pulse patterns and then jam accordingly, and they also have generic jamming algorithms for unknown guns that they can use as well, but obviously that doesn't work for all guns out there.

What's different about the ALPs that let it jam ALL known and unknown guns?

The Claims in this video are not ALP claims. They are the claims that Laser Interceptor makes. AntiLaser has never promised support for unknown guns but we do go out and acquire just about every gun possible to make sure the customers are protected. If we cant get a gun we will try to borrow one or even find people in enforcement willing to let us record their police issued guns or record them ourselves with the built in recorder in the field. Every customer can be part of the solution and a quick recording can be emailed and support will be in the next update. The first 5 or so Laser Ally gun Algo's were done without AntiLaser even having a gun in their possession. The ALP also uses its own proprietary software which is a game changer and it can operate like no other jammer conventional jammer. We cant explain how the ALP can accomplish what it does and I am sure you all can understand why we cant discuss it.

[Vortex]

The Claims in this video are not ALP claims. They are the claims that Laser Interceptor makes. AntiLaser has never promised support for unknown guns but we do go out and acquire just about every gun possible to make sure the customers are protected. If we cant get a gun we will try to borrow one or even find people in enforcement willing to let us record their police issued guns or record them ourselves with the built in recorder in the field. Every customer can be part of the solution and a quick recording can be emailed and support will be in the next update. The first 5 or so Laser Ally gun Algo's were done without AntiLaser even having a gun in their possession. The ALP also uses its own proprietary software which is a game changer and it can operate like no other jammer conventional jammer. We cant explain how the ALP can accomplish what it does and I am sure you all can understand why we cant discuss it.

Oh, "It Jams all known and unknown lidar guns" is an LI claim, not an ALP claim? I read that wrong then. Rewatching the video, I see what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. :)

The fact that the first five Laser Ally algorithms were jammed without ever even having the gun is pretty awesome. Realistically, it's near impossible for any jammer manufacturer to get ahold of every version of the gun, so this is pretty huge.

I understand if you can't publicly share the inner workings of the ALP's proprietary software. What are some of the features and benefits of its jamming capabilities beyond "Well we have a jamming algorithm for this and they don't?" Jammer companies do issue updates periodically so unless the ALP can do something that its competitors won't ever be able to do, it's only a matter of time before other companies release their updates and the playing field is level again.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Oh, "It Jams all known and unknown lidar guns" is an LI claim, not an ALP claim? I read that wrong then. Rewatching the video, I see what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. :)

The fact that the first five Laser Ally algorithms were jammed without ever even having the gun is pretty awesome. Realistically, it's near impossible for any jammer manufacturer to get ahold of every version of the gun, so this is pretty huge.

I understand if you can't publicly share the inner workings of the ALP's proprietary software. What are some of the features and benefits of its jamming capabilities beyond "Well we have a jamming algorithm for this and they don't?" Jammer companies do issue updates periodically so unless the ALP can do something that its competitors won't ever be able to do, it's only a matter of time before other companies release their updates and the playing field is level again.

All you have to do it look at the DragonEye Compact... Every pull of the trigger is a unique random pattern and yet it can Jam it. The proprietary method it uses cant be duplicated since it has worldwide patent protection.

[Mirage]

Oh, "It Jams all known and unknown lidar guns" is an LI claim, not an ALP claim? I read that wrong then. Rewatching the video, I see what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. :)

The fact that the first five Laser Ally algorithms were jammed without ever even having the gun is pretty awesome. Realistically, it's near impossible for any jammer manufacturer to get ahold of every version of the gun, so this is pretty huge.

I understand if you can't publicly share the inner workings of the ALP's proprietary software. What are some of the features and benefits of its jamming capabilities beyond "Well we have a jamming algorithm for this and they don't?" Jammer companies do issue updates periodically so unless the ALP can do something that its competitors won't ever be able to do, it's only a matter of time before other companies release their updates and the playing field is level again.

I would love to see LI "level the playing field again". Competition greatly benefits the consumer and we all just want the best possible protection. Since last year it seems ALP has been making all the moves. They have actively set out to defeat all the DragonEye hardware and have been very successful thus far. LI on the other hand took the approach of well if we show them our hand then they will just change the algo again. That decision was not in the best interest in the community. That decision was made to protect their sales. That should have been the first clue to LI that what needed to be done was much more than conventional way of doing things. Dragon knows how to beat the conventional way and as you can see from the video the other gun companies are figuring it out too!

[Vortex]

All you have to do it look at the DragonEye Compact... Every pull of the trigger is a unique random pattern and yet it can Jam it. The proprietary method it uses cant be duplicated since it has worldwide patent protection.

Yeah that's incredibly cool. Sounds like a technique other than lookup tables are being used then. :)


I would love to see LI "level the playing field again". Competition greatly benefits the consumer and we all just want the best possible protection. Since last year it seems ALP has been making all the moves. They have actively set out to defeat all the DragonEye hardware and have been very successful thus far. LI on the other hand took the approach of well if we show them our hand then they will just change the algo again. That decision was not in the best interest in the community. That decision was made to protect their sales. That should have been the first clue to LI that what needed to be done was much more than conventional way of doing things. Dragon knows how to beat the conventional way and as you can see from the video the other gun companies are figuring it out too!

Competition is good for everyone and we all want the best products possible. Definitely. :)

You're right that there's a TON of exciting innovation in ALP land. Things seem to have slowed down and matured with Blinder and LI, and that's pretty typical. Lots of R&D at first and then ride the wave to maximize profits from all the initial hard work. At the same time, they do tend to be quiet about the finer points of what all they can and can't jam. To be fair, in the past many of us decided that this was the best way of handling things too and would shy away from disclosing certain things in public like QT and details regarding the DALA as it was seen to be in the best interest of the community to not educate LEO's which would simultaneously not completely inform the CM community as to exactly how protected they are. LI isn't the only one doing this. Are you guys more open about the details here on this forum?

[dinkydi]

just makes me wonder if Cliff is losing interest, or if li will go the way of blinder, would hate to that happen, as been mentioned competition is good, ALP has picked up the ball and and sure is running well with it

[Mirage]

Are you guys more open about the details here on this forum?

I think it is still appropriate that some things are kept out of the public eye; however, I will say things are much more open here.

[Yellowcab]

Going off topic:

The ECCTG private forum and then RDF were formed as a direct result of The DALA, Dragon and an attempt to stop educating LEOs on his they can beat our CMs. With Belscort selling the STiR+, releasing BS/RDR on the redline, the Max, and V1 now having band seg, the community is now protected from QT, so now it is fine to discuss it publicly. Now that the ALpriority jams the Compact and the DALA, they are no longer an issue. Now Blinder and LI need to step up their game, or they will lose the support of the community, or everybody buys a Priority.

[Won Hunglo]

When I see the teaser picture it looks like a stealth LEO Camaro with red lights activated. :rofl-1:

[RedRocket]

Did I just hear what I just heard in that vid...

The P/U run against "Law Enforcement Grade" DragonEye Compact - - - -
vs
LaserInterceptor f/w 8.14 & 8.9 Sensors
-then-
(Continuous high-pitched = 'Speed Acquired') "Lock Tone"...then,NO ALERT!..........NO ALERT!..........NO ALERT!..........

Using Scott's (of Norcross,GA) own video verbage as your Muse is some funny sh*t !!! :roflmfao:

[max]

It alerts, but it doesn't jam.

The blinder hp905 jams it.

So will it be wise to say that :
ALP is NUMBER 1
Blinder is NUMBER 2
and LI is NUMBER 3 ?

[Vortex]

So will it be wise to say that :
ALP is NUMBER 1
Blinder is NUMBER 2
and LI is NUMBER 3 ?

If you want to ignore every other feature the jammers offer, their capabilities against every other gun on the market, their previous track record of updates, their history of customer service, and base everything on just one gun then yes. ;)

[shanetrainST]

Kudos RALETC :) for bring the truth to the public

I'm very glad I made the right decision to buy ALP.

I just wish that Blinder would update for DALA so I can dust them off and put the to good use.

[Tman]

I dont know if i wrote it before , Alp just made a quantum leap in the cms industry .

For bad or good the other contenders are on the edge of a
966

if nothing is done in a near future.

[BestRadarDetectors]

So will it be wise to say that :
ALP is NUMBER 1
Blinder is NUMBER 2
and LI is NUMBER 3 ?

ALP has the most support for guns hands down.
Blinder has no Compact support, it does have the XLR Support but very little DALA support
LI also has no Compact support, No XLR Support but while DALA support is also limited it does support 1-2 more versions over the Blinder.

[Qui-Gon]

Just had a lengthy conversation with wolfpacal tonight about the DALA and it being in my area (if whomever posted this earlier could share the link I'd appreciate it!). Weighing the benefit of being protected against the guns I see most often vs. the risk of getting hit by the one or two I would not be, I have decided to go without protection until I can get the ALP. Driving slow sucks!

[TurboDriver]

So that must also mean the Escort Shifter Pro, which is a LI of sort, is spanked also. If Escort doesn't give updates any different than they are a fail with their "new" system too? They have the Max fiasco and now this....not looking so good for them, you would think they would be pushing extra hard for updates.

Soon to have ALP on order, :D all excited to get them installed and the great customer support.

[max]

ALP has the most support for guns hands down.
Blinder has no Compact support, it does have the XLR Support but very little DALA support
LI also has no Compact support, No XLR Support but while DALA support is also limited it does support 1-2 more versions over the Blinder.

Did any 1 tested the Blinder support to Ps after the last update?

[BestRadarDetectors]

Did any 1 tested the Blinder support to Ps after the last update?

The problem is the newer Speed Laser units are moving to the same process as the Compact. AL has had several customers record new Speed Laser Cams and they did not have patterns just like the Compact.

[Holla]

ALP has picked up the ball and is GONE----I love it! cant wait to order my 5 header lol

TOM--when is the HI-FI and display coming out---it has to be VERY soon! Lets do this

[BestRadarDetectors]

ALP has picked up the ball and is GONE----I love it! cant wait to order my 5 header lol

TOM--when is the HI-FI and display coming out---it has to be VERY soon! Lets do this

HiFi would have already been out but the Compact Fix bumped it and I feel it was the right decision because protection should always come before conveniences. We are still testing tweaks to the new firmware and once everyone involved is happy with the final product and the firmware is pushed out the HiFi module will get back to production. I cant give you an exact date but its next in line.

[hammerdown]

Going off topic:

The ECCTG private forum and then RDF were formed as a direct result of The DALA, Dragon and an attempt to stop educating LEOs on his they can beat our CMs. With Belscort selling the STiR+, releasing BS/RDR on the redline, the Max, and V1 now having band seg, the community is now protected from QT, so now it is fine to discuss it publicly. Now that the ALpriority jams the Compact and the DALA, they are no longer an issue. Now Blinder and LI need to step up their game, or they will lose the support of the community, or everybody buys a Priority.

sorry YC, I have to disagree. We are not completely protected from QT or Selective I/O, as it depends on how often the switch is hit......

the locals around me are all oblivious to any of this and run C/O all the time....

i sure as $h1t dont want them to find out about it and start running QT or S I/O..... :(

soooo.... can we not talk about it openly....... please.... :concern:

[Mirage]

Ok Let's get back on Topic I don't want to turn this into a QT discussion.

[Yellowcab]

Hammer, start a new thread for us to discuss those issues.

[hammerdown]

Going off topic:


Hammer, start a new thread for us to discuss those issues.

:confused:

[Qui-Gon]

ALL Hail the new KING ! :hail:

I'm not worthy! :hail:

[RedRocket]

I'm not worthy! :hail:
If you pay $Tribute$ & swear allegiance to the new KING you will be allowed to enter into the Royal Court of Seers !


^ - p.s. (having a 'lil fun w/ verse as I am means this will be misinterpreted as GOSPEL by some at "other" Forums, I'll bet!)

[Qui-Gon]

If you pay $Tribute$ & swear allegiance to the new KING you will be allowed to enter into the Royal Court of Seers !

So it is written, so shall it be done! All hail the new KING! Just need a warm day to perform surgery on the Stealthmobile. :)

To stay SOMEWHAT on topic, I'm a bit disappointed with LI's response to the DALA/DET and Compact, plus now the Stalker XLR. Not that these guns are used in my area, but being that close to Canada, I need maximum protection. Sure, it'll be weird driving naked until I sell the LI and save up the difference, but it'll be worth the wait!

[BestRadarDetectors]

Did you get to test the LSP this weekend and see if they had the same results?

[Mirage]

Did you get to test the LSP this weekend and see if they had the same results?

If you're asking me no I was unable to do any more testing this weekend due to weather.

[Yellowcab]

Removed politcals discussion from thread. Please stay on topic

[Jaguar]

The front page review should be updated to show that 8.16+ now jams the XLR by the way...

[oddpedestrian]

I'm wondering if my LSP update fixed it too, LSP received the update in March while everyone else got it in may. All li owners should be able to use the LSP updates as its the same update file. The LSP are surprisingly flying off the shelf as escort has consistently has them on backorder.

[BestRadarDetectors]

The problem is there were several versions on the XLR and this gun used is no longer available. It was sent in for service for a different reason and came back with a different firmware. I am not sure if the LSP would still have a problem against this original version.(Most likely it does) I know it does not jam the updated firmware. The LI does Jam on the current firmware but these original tests cant be duplicated any longer since we no longer have a gun with the original firmware version.

[kasher1979]

Does Laser Interceptor still protect the community? Now even more guns are exposed. This time a gun already on the ICAP conforming list. The Stalker XLR. Why?

AL Priority continues to provide the best lidar defense in the industry! Welcome the new King of Jammers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz5eEfhYFOU


***Special thanks to WonHunglo for helping with the testing today! Couldn't have done it without you.

Just to be fair in evaluating these products shouldn't this video be removed and comments be made on the fact that Stalker XLR is now fixed that the the DETC is in progress???

[oddpedestrian]

Just to be fair in evaluating these products shouldn't this video be removed and comments be made on the fact that Stalker XLR is now fixed that the the DETC is in progress???
I think it should stand as a reminder of all the hoopla it required to bring attention to this issue.

[Mirage]

We will be testing against the latest LI firmware on September 21st. You are welcome to join us in the testing and observe the results first hand.

[kasher1979]

We will be testing against the latest LI firmware on September 21st. You are welcome to join us in the testing and observe the results first hand.

Just so you know I didn't mean at all to question any of your results. I thought it was common knowledge that the Stalker is now being jammed. The DETC fix is in the works, but I just was curious why the stalker videos are still up? Will the LI still not Jam the stalker?

[Yellowcab]

I delete a few posts. The discussion was about a my personal property that I do not want discussed for a number of reasons. If you would like more info please PM me.

[Holla]

We Dont remove Post, so why remove Video :)

[awj223]

We Dont remove Post, so why remove Video :)

As long as it has the LI firmware number and the gun, I don't see what's wrong with leaving the video up. 8.14 could not jam that gun, and will never be able to. Now if a future LI firmware can jam the gun, then I think a link should be provided within the video to a video of the updated testing results, but the old videos should stay.