ALP is the ONLY Jammer to detect the Compact!

[Mirage]

As you guys know it's been busy at Raletc. Recently a video was released by Chris at laserjammertests.com in which he indicated that no jammer on the market could detect or for that matter jam the DragonEye compact. Well guys here is part one of the real story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7r3OYOisDg


I've heard that the K40 led jammer apparently detects the compact, but it is unable to jam it.

[Tman]

I guess i know the following suite ...

[NYSpeederPVM]

Awesome, let's still not wake the dragon though probably better if he stays asleep :) we can quietly jam him.

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[Mirage]

I guess i know the following suite ...

Maybe. Let's just say the industry changed on 2/28/2014!


Awesome, let's still not wake the dragon though probably better if he stays asleep :)

For the first time I say wake him up! I can safely say I'm not scared anymore.

[NYSpeederPVM]

For the first time I say wake him up! I can safely say I'm not scared anymore.

Okay ill roll with that if you say so lol

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[BestRadarDetectors]

It should also be known that detecting the Compact is nothing new, The AL Priority has been detecting it since September 2013.

[Mirage]

It should also be known that detecting the Compact is nothing new, The AL Priority has been detecting it since September 2013.

Which surprises me that Chris at laserjammertest.com would make such a bold statement about NOTHING being able to detect it! I mean really September of last year... then again he still thinks laser interceptor has water issues.

[RedRocket]

Which surprises me that Chris at laserjammertest.com would make such a bold statement about NOTHING being able to detect it! I mean really September of last year... then again he still thinks laser interceptor has water issues.
Tsk,tsk,tsk - Poor Chris,still livin' in the past w/ obsolete Legacy products & hoping for a miracle.
(psst - Hey Chris,your deliberate deception has been exposed,redemption is possible if you save yourself by telling the TRUTH in your Blog.)

[shanetrainST]

Well done guys :) Nice Work.
Can't wait too see what next from RALETC.

Unlucky for the blinder & LI users.

[THX1138]

Whats on the horizon for jamming the unjammable?

[wolfpacal]

Nice video, but, I saw the AL Priority detect the LIDAR gun, but did it jam it? Forgive me, but I didn't see the HUD indicating it was being jammed. Any thoughts?

[dinkydi]

awesome stuff :D

[Qui-Gon]

Nice video, but, I saw the AL Priority detect the LIDAR gun, but did it jam it? Forgive me, but I didn't see the HUD indicating it was being jammed. Any thoughts?

You asked what I was just going to ask...

[BestRadarDetectors]

Notice the Video is labeled Part 1, We have been asked not to release the 2nd part of the video until next week. All your questions will be answered very soon!

[Clint Eastwood]

The music is over the top.... maybe something like this: (raindrops on roses, alp jamming, whiskers on kittens)


http://youtu.be/G-reAa2ushQ

[Yellowcab]

Whats on the horizon for jamming the unjammable?

The writing is on the wall. Is any LIDAR unjammable?

[wolfpacal]

Notice the Video is labeled Part 1, We have been asked not to release the 2nd part of the video until next week. All your questions will be answered very soon!

Got it, can't wait for part 2. This is a game changer for us stuck where this gun is used daily. Bye Bye LI's.

[Mirage]

Got it, can't wait for part 2. This is a game changer for us stuck where this gun is used daily. Bye Bye LI's.

I can't wait to publish part 2. Part 1 was really just a teaser and meant to poke fun at Chris saying that no jammer could detect and for that matter jam the compact. Part 2 is much more impressive.

[Qui-Gon]

Notice the Video is labeled Part 1, We have been asked not to release the 2nd part of the video until next week. All your questions will be answered very soon!

Thank you, Tom. DALA/DET is not an issue in my area yet. If I wasn't so piss arse broke I'd have switched out already! :(

[Mirage]

The writing is on the wall. Is any LIDAR unjammable?

Not if you can adapt like the Borg. :rolf:

[radargeek]

The writing is on the wall. Is any LIDAR unjammable?Is any comb unbreakable? Is any ship unsinkable?

Anything that can be done by man can be undone by man. This thing can be jammed. It just takes a jammer company to put the effort into it. Looks like AL is on the right track.

[spankyaf]

Awesome I have new bike coming this spring and ALPs are going to be part of an epic farkling session .... providing they get that HiFi module out

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[dinkydi]

The music is over the top.... maybe something like this: (raindrops on roses, alp jamming, whiskers on kittens)


http://youtu.be/G-reAa2ushQ

:roflmfao: nice touch, very good quip

[RigToFly01]

I have a slight stiffy. What a great video. I can't wait for part II. Great work guys!

[deano]

that's pretty cool even xyd seems to be pissed off on RDf but he got shut down about this video but the ALp has a feature a feature that no jammer has so I already no the results before watching part 2

good work guys and good work to antilaser ...antilaser have allways been my closest sole mate

[Tman]

Tom are you prepared for an avalanche of orders :frog:

[Won Hunglo]

Can't wait to see what is in part 2. I can here the time ticking away until we learn what is in part 2. Tick, tick, tick, tick... Is that my watch?

[Mirage]

Can't wait to see what is in part 2. I can here the time ticking away until we learn what is in part 2. Tick, tick, tick, tick... Is that my watch?

No I think you heard this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wppmkOLUiJM

[THX1138]

Bring on part 2!!!

[SLO]

I wanna see part 2 NOW!

[Domsz06]

I need to read up in this new product!


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[Mirage]

It's not new but visit www.alpriorityusa.com for details.

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[Mirage]

a little birdie told me part 2 comes out tonight. 7pm est.

[Yellowcab]

What could PT. 2 be? More detection vidoes?

[RedRocket]

What could PT. 2 be? More detection vidoes?
Well,as Part 1 was inside,Part 2 could be outside in daylight w/ full Sun.

[Salty]

Well, IF the next vid is of the ALP jamming the Compact, I can see alot of people selling whatever they have now to pick up the ALP's.

[radargeek]

Has anyone seen/encountered the Compact in the wild yet?

[BestRadarDetectors]

Has anyone seen/encountered the Compact in the wild yet?

We received several recordings from customers who have captured them in the wild.

[Radarrob]

I have been hit by one and I know another ten+ members who have but got no alert from there Li or blinder 905.

[radargeek]

Any in Northeast (USA) states?

[ECMExpert]

We received several recordings from customers who have captured them in the wild.

I am in Midwest and havent seen any, BUT do see the PL 2 and 3 quite a bit.

[wolfpacal]

See the DALA almost daily in the town I live in. Arrrrgggggghhhhh.......ALP will be the only way to go as LI appears to be asleep at the switch (literally)

[Radarrob]

Any in Northeast (USA) states?Yes.

[radargeek]

Yes.Can you be a little more specific? (PM me if you don't want to post publicly).

[Won Hunglo]

a little birdie told me part 2 comes out tonight. 7pm est.

I want to see if there really is a part 2. Go clock! Make the time tick away faster!!! tick, tick, tick, tick, tick... Hey, it that my digital watch I hear?

[spankyaf]

Is the ball dropping in Times Square??

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[max]

I would bet the amount of the "unknown guest" in WHO'S ONLINE, will greatly increase at 19:00 ...

[BestRadarDetectors]

I want to see if there really is a part 2. Go clock! Make the time tick away faster!!! tick, tick, tick, tick, tick... Hey, it that my digital watch I hear?

LOL.. Mirage did not say what time zone..

[Mirage]

Yes I did. 7pm EST. NOW!

http://radarandlaserforum.com/showthread.php/3663-RALETC-Present-ALP-vs-DragonEye-Compact-PART-2

[Radarrob]

Can you be a little more specific? (PM me if you don't want to post publicly).De,MD port authority,Cali,Canada,GA,Florida,CT,NY. A simple google search and deep searching I found some states.No matter if used or not in any state you want to get your money's worth out of the jammer and be fully protected no matter if used or not.For the amount of money I spent on my alp I'm getting my money's worth because it jams everything, My money spent well and I'm happy.

[radargeek]

As long as they aren't in NH or MA I should be ok for now. I drive through CT & NY to NJ every so often (every couple years) so that's the only time there's a possible risk with my LI. I'm too poor to buy an ALP anytime soon. Unless something comes up sooner my next trip to NJ won't be until 2015. In NH it's 99% PL3 and even then it's rare I encounter them.

[Yellowcab]

As long as they aren't in NH or MA I should be ok for now. I drive through CT & NY to NJ every so often (every couple years) so that's the only time there's a possible risk with my LI. I'm too poor to buy an ALP anytime soon. Unless something comes up sooner my next trip to NJ won't be until 2015.

Sell the LIs as soon as you can. There will be many of them for sale soon. Increased supply lower prices.

[radargeek]

Come spring I need to put something on my new car. It would be nice to have a shiny new ALP but it's not in the cards (no money). The LI has served me well over the years, and as long as I'm in PL3 country they'll continue to serve me until I can afford something newer.

Even if I get something new (ALP, LI successor or whatever) in the future, I'll hold on to my current LIs for use on the bench for testing my JTK autokill devices. Or maybe a museum will want them. I have "ancient" 8.7 heads. :)

[spankyaf]

See the DALA almost daily in the town I live in. Arrrrgggggghhhhh.......ALP will be the only way to go as LI appears to be asleep at the switch (literally)

So I have to wonder can LI not see the ALP solution and replicate it or is the capability in the hardware?

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[Radarrob]

As long as they aren't in NH or MA I should be ok for now. I drive through CT & NY to NJ every so often (every couple years) so that's the only time there's a possible risk with my LI. I'm too poor to buy an ALP anytime soon. Unless something comes up sooner my next trip to NJ won't be until 2015. In NH it's 99% PL3 and even then it's rare I encounter them.Will not see compact in NJ but a sales rep has been letting departments use them but not issueing citations.

[radargeek]

Will not see compact in NJ but a sales rep has been letting departments use them but not issueing citations.How about regular DALAs? In any NE states other than NY/CT/NJ?

[Radarrob]

See the DALA almost daily in the town I live in. Arrrrgggggghhhhh.......ALP will be the only way to go as LI appears to be asleep at the switch (literally)Blinder 905 and m27 units are dead = no support for customers.

[Radarrob]

How about regular DALAs? In any NE states other than NY/CT/NJ?I have been hit by reg Laser ally in DE,MD and jersey but in NJ can't issue tickets only pre test.In MD I have video of being hit with PL4.Western NY near I believe I-81 up near Albany area and buffalo.

[shanetrainST]

Is the DALA compatibility limited to just ALP sensors, or will people running G9 heads connected to their ALP CPU be able to benefit from this firmware update too?

Myself and BeingAware both run a mix of G9 and ALP currently

[Vortex]

Blinder 905 and m27 units are dead = no support for customers.

Not exactly.

A few months ago when a new 905 firmware came out, there was a new feature added that actually muted the alarms. I didn't realize it at the time and contacted Leon who promptly offered to send me a new CPU because it looked like my 905's were no longer alarming in the cabin even though the heads were firing and so it would prevent me from being able to JTK. He was pretty surprised to hear this because he'd never had a 905 CPU fail. Pretty impressive. Anyways, I realized the issue once that new setting was discovered the be the real problem and then no longer needed a new CPU, but it was great seeing Leon ready to go once I needed him.

A few months prior to that, I contacted him asking for a replacement control switch. I didn't want to remove the one I installed in my car once it was time to return the lease so I wanted a replacement one and to leave the current one in. He offered to send me a replacement control switch free of charge.

So they may not release lots and lots of firmware updates, but in my experience, the customer service has been fantastic.

[KrpA]

I think you will need at least one new ALP head.

[deano]

some will have good and some have bad experiences with companys ...once you have had one bad and makes it worse the first bad experience you wont go back take example the entire of Australia wont purchase blinder ..even the rep him self stopped selling blinder here in Australia WA so that tells you something ...

maybe leon was good to you but where was he when blinder stated they jam the poliscan even showed on there website for perfect install against this threat ie showed how to mount heads (angles ) etc

then when one questioned another there reply was 2 weeks but then 2 weeks turned out to be exactly 2 years for an update (and im not joking) ..

.turns out that they have did an update but to late to test because no one runs the 905 no more to test ...the ones who run the 905 are still shit scared to test ie first bad experience

all I remember when the blinder released there new jammer they all hyped it up.... but went into hibernation went things went south for them

sorry to be blunt but no one here should compare AL with blinder its like comparing a lambo with a Hyundai getz or even worse a hybrid

[RedRocket]

Not exactly.

A few months ago when a new 905 firmware came out, there was a new feature added that actually muted the alarms. I didn't realize it at the time and contacted Leon who promptly offered to send me a new CPU because it looked like my 905's were no longer alarming in the cabin even though the heads were firing and so it would prevent me from being able to JTK. He was pretty surprised to hear this because he'd never had a 905 CPU fail. Pretty impressive. Anyways, I realized the issue once that new setting was discovered the be the real problem and then no longer needed a new CPU, but it was great seeing Leon ready to go once I needed him.

A few months prior to that, I contacted him asking for a replacement control switch. I didn't want to remove the one I installed in my car once it was time to return the lease so I wanted a replacement one and to leave the current one in. He offered to send me a replacement control switch free of charge.

So they may not release lots and lots of firmware updates, but in my experience, the customer service has been fantastic.
THAT is NOT a true statement,Vortex!
My original HP-905 CPU bought in June when they were first came out went up in smoke 5 mo. later in November.Leon was very good & quickly sent me a new CPU.I requested feedback (from Leon & Blinder.dk) on what the failure cause was & even included a drawing of which SMD part on the ckt. brd. was toast.
I asked 3 times within 6 mo. of the failure for feedback on what happened after its autopsy.
It's now been 1yr & 5 mo. & I'm still waiting for the answer............................................ .................................................. .

[shanetrainST]

THAT is NOT a true statement,Vortex!
My original HP-905 CPU bought in June when they were first came out went up in smoke 5 mo. later in November.Leon was very good & quickly sent me a new CPU.I requested feedback (from Leon & Blinder.dk) on what the failure cause was & even included a drawing of which SMD part on the ckt. brd. was toast.
I asked 3 times within 6 mo. of the failure for feedback on what happened after its autopsy.
It's now been 1yr & 5 mo. & I'm still waiting for the answer............................................ .................................................. .

Should email Korea :rolf:

[RedRocket]

Should email Korea :rolf:
^ - You're a good comedian,ST ! - hahaha
(Leon told me he sent the CPU to "Torben" in Denmark for evaluation.)

[BestRadarDetectors]

Is the DALA compatibility limited to just ALP sensors, or will people running G9 heads connected to their ALP CPU be able to benefit from this firmware update too?

Myself and BeingAware both run a mix of G9 and ALP currently


I think you will need at least one new ALP head.

Yes, You will need atleast one AL Priority head in the front and back. The system can not consist of all G9 heads to work against the compact. Personally I would try to swap all heads overtime to ALP heads as they are superior to the older versions.

[Vortex]

THAT is NOT a true statement,Vortex!
My original HP-905 CPU bought in June when they were first came out went up in smoke 5 mo. later in November.Leon was very good & quickly sent me a new CPU.I requested feedback (from Leon & Blinder.dk) on what the failure cause was & even included a drawing of which SMD part on the ckt. brd. was toast.
I asked 3 times within 6 mo. of the failure for feedback on what happened after its autopsy.
It's now been 1yr & 5 mo. & I'm still waiting for the answer............................................ .................................................. .

hm good to know. Thank you. :)

[TerragonSix]

Frankly, even if dragoneye creates the unjamable gun for 'smart' jammers, a Lidatek LE-10 will have it for breakfast, which is from the dinosaur age.

You can randomize your pulse rate till your hearts content, but a brute force jammer will be effective against ANY pulse rate.

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[SLO]

The Le-10 really didn't do all that great against the dalas when I did testing.

[Radarrob]

The Le-10 really didn't do all that great against the dalas when I did testing.Shot a LE-10 with my stalker laser and got instant PT.

[Mirage]

The Le-10 really didn't do all that great against the dalas when I did testing.

You're right I tested against several DALA's and the LE-10 did not do well at all. Instant PT in most cases. For it's time it was good, but now that we have higher pulse rate guns or changing pulse rates it makes the timing much more important. Even a brute force jammer like the LE-10 must introduce a pulse within the gate or window upon which the gun is expecting it otherwise the gun will filter the returns out as noise.

[Yellowcab]

The Le10 lacks sensitivity. Aim away from the le10 and you will get a PT.

[max]

You're right I tested against several DALA's and the LE-10 did not do well at all. Instant PT in most cases. For it's time it was good, but now that we have higher pulse rate guns or changing pulse rates it makes the timing much more important. Even a brute force jammer like the LE-10 must introduce a pulse within the gate or window upon which the gun is expecting it otherwise the gun will filter the returns out as noise.

You're absolutely right, in a simple calculation: in order to produce white noise which will work for the latest LIDARS to "see" in the schedule they expect to see his signals, you must install a vast amount (and impractical) of jammers as the LE10 when they must be synchronized, so that each cover a different time interval-And it is because a single driver can not support such a quantity of pulses.

[RedRocket]

I personally tested 2 guys from NYC 1 1/2 yrs ago who had LE-10's installed.I didn't have a DragonEye at the time but easily chewed through them w/ several other Lidar models.The LE-10 was so insensitive I couldn't get it to alert w/ my handheld simulator even @ 1 to 2 feet.

[TerragonSix]

Wow! Serves me right for my ignorance. I'll ask the next question; can a brute force jammer still work with todays more advanced LIDAR guns?

For example; using a set of heads that are desinged for maximum sensitivity and upon alert, activates the brute force part of the system?

[max]

Wow! Serves me right for my ignorance. I'll ask the next question; can a brute force jammer still work with todays more advanced LIDAR guns?

For example; using a set of heads that are desinged for maximum sensitivity and upon alert, activates the brute force part of the system?

As I wrote above: in order to produce white noise which will work for the latest LIDARS to "see" in the schedule they expect to see his signals, you must install a vast amount (and impractical) of jammers as the LE10 when they must be synchronized, so that each cover a different time interval-And it is because a single driver can not support such a quantity of pulses.

[TerragonSix]

As I wrote above: in order to produce white noise which will work for the latest LIDARS to "see" in the schedule they expect to see his signals, you must install a vast amount (and impractical) of jammers as the LE10 when they must be synchronized, so that each cover a different time interval-And it is because a single driver can not support such a quantity of pulses.

Thanks for the double clarification. :)