Hello from the Netherlands

[Jacovn]

I am Jaco living in the Netherlands (europe)
Have used radar detection since a number of years, last one Stinger DSi.
Also had a AL9 installed.

For my new car, VW Golf GTi pp (mk7) i have ordered a ALP and a Bel sti-r Plus M. (The new stinger is €1000 more expensive than the Bel)

Came to visit this forum as there is lots of info on the ALP to be found.

[RedRocket]

Hello from the USA,Jaco- & Welcome to the Forum.I am happy to have another from the EU & Thank You for joining us here.We look forward to your participation b/c of your many years experience.I am very happy w/ my AL-P & will be upgrading to Rear protection very
soon (2 Sensors) .

[Jacovn]

Thanks for the warm welcome..

I was able to post a question in a section of the forum which seems closed for me now. I guess something went wrong there :)
Anyway, i will have the Bel and the ALP built into my Golf on Wednesday and Thursday (also an additional Alarm)

I was most interested on the sensor locations, so i can discuss that with the car shop.
Te intention was 1 sensor in the front and 1 in the back, but i got a reply in the other thread which sort of said to place 2 sensors in the front and 2 in the back.

The back seems hard to cover on a VW Golf mk7, as the only easy position is above the number plate, and that is relatively far from the back lights.
Also it is unclear if the law enforcement is allowed to laser from the back, as that would be a negative measurement. I need to look into that.

I could move the 2nd sensor to the front to have better coverage there, and later update the back. The sensors are quite expensive over here (about $350 in dollars). Also i haven been chekced only 2 times in over 2 years, so there is not that much laser here (only in city area's) on the highway they use mobile radar setups.

[Jacovn]

For radar the policy over here switched over to jenoptic multiradar CD
http://www.jenoptik.com/en-mobile-speed-radar-for-speed-enforcement-multaradar-cd

Other systems in use are the gatso T systems, mesta 210c and the multinofa 6f (should be phased out by now)

[Yellowcab]

Welcome to the forum. Feel free to ask questions and participate in the discussions.

[RedRocket]

Thanks for the warm welcome..

I was able to post a question in a section of the forum which seems closed for me now. I guess something went wrong there :)
Anyway, i will have the Bel and the ALP built into my Golf on Wednesday and Thursday (also an additional Alarm)
You should be able to see that Thread "Advice on Placement" b/c you are a "member" on the Forum now.

RALETC did some AL-P testing last year w/ only 1 Sensor.....the Test results are posted on their Blog site:

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http://www.raletc.org/

[Tman]

Jaco , welcome , you will feel at home here.

Seem that VW is very popular in Europe.

Is your country banning cms , so you need to stealth everything ?

[Jacovn]

Radar detection is forbidden. Parking sensors like the ALP not..
So i need radar detection that is in basic a GPS based device which tells where the fixed radar positions are (legal)
If you than can load software for mobile radar controls it is not legal any more. So that functionality needs to be removed by some action of the user. I think the Bel supports it.

So stealth is better than showing it too clearly, as the police officers are not all dumb.

The ALP sensors will need to be a bit visable for good install i think (checks from above)

As for the sti-r antenna, it could go behind plastic, but the distance for the multiradar cd detection seems much better when nothing is in front of the sensor.

[Tman]

What i know of the location of the Sti-r's antenna is the higher = the better.

As for stealthing the heads of the Alp while maintaining effiency ...
the trick is in the pudding .

Autorities start with good freedom then they tighten the screw ! as for the Gps based announcement
of photo-radar ....when $ get low ...

Roadway is now a big kindergarden ...only adults use cms :encouragement:

[Jacovn]

Interesting that you tell the antenna needs to be high up.
I read other oppinions on a local forum, but there it is also unclear what the best position is.
The multiradar CD our law enformcent officers use (over 250 were bought last year) send with very low wattage en i think circular polirasation.
So detection distances vary from 150-200 meter with persons with the antenna behind the plastic of the front part of the car. One that is installed with free sight out gets 400 meter sometimes.

[dinkydi]

Hi welcome from Australia, i believe when u put the rd antenna behind plastic, some work better than others thats due to what the plastic is made from some have metals in the mixture when being made beter to have a clear view, or find out what type of plastic, also a we have an international sec http://radarandlaserforum.com/forumdisplay.php/47-International , and in the Australian sec there we have an interest in the stealth SS3 ,system, and would also like any info on the Stinger, models and performance

[busta]

Welcome from Down under

[RedRocket]

Interesting that you tell the antenna needs to be high up.
I read other oppinions on a local forum, but there it is also unclear what the best position is.
I believe the reason some ppl prefer the antenna to be high, like at top of WS [Windshield], is b/c they believe if it is mounted low or in the grille, the metal body of the car in Front of you could block the radar signal if it is mounted low.

Both of my RD's are mounted at the top of my WS,one on Driver's side,the other on Passenger side.

[Jacovn]

The stinger products are from a local dutch company. They are excellent, but very steep price.
The top modell is the stinger vip, for 2300 euro.
http://www.stinger.com/

Their laser product is not very good, but the intergration is nice.

I used a stinger dsi, still to be found on the web page. But it has lots of problems with false alerts, and it does not detect the multiradar cd until you passed it (my one and only speeding ticket for 3 km to fast) was with one.

We need hidden installs so it has to be relatively low in the front of the car. Than you can go real low and hope the radar signals go below the cars in front of you. Or it is just below the headlights and you need to have signal bounced from objects etc,

[Tman]

''Interesting that you tell the antenna needs to be high up.
I read other oppinions on a local forum, but there it is also unclear what the best position is.''

I dont use one , this opinion comes from a friend in Ireland , Corkguykev , he found a noticeable
improvment in distance detection .

[RedRocket]

I used a stinger dsi, still to be found on the web page. But it has lots of problems with false alerts, and it does not detect the multiradar cd until you passed it (my one and only speeding ticket for 3 km to fast) was with one.

We need hidden installs so it has to be relatively low in the front of the car. Than you can go real low and hope the radar signals go below the cars in front of you. Or it is just below the headlights and you need to have signal bounced from objects etc,
I have read about the Multiradar cd somewhere on the www,all I know is that it's very low-power output.Maybe it is only radiating the radar signal Forward as the cars pass by it.
Are you using a RD now ?

[max]

Welcome to the Ralf ...

[winterbrew]

Welcome from Australia :)

[RigToFly01]

Welcome to RALF from the NYC/CT area!

[max]

I am Jaco living in the Netherlands (europe)
Have used radar detection since a number of years, last one Stinger DSi.
Also had a AL9 installed.

For my new car, VW Golf GTi pp (mk7) i have ordered a ALP and a Bel sti-r Plus M. (The new stinger is €1000 more expensive than the Bel)

Came to visit this forum as there is lots of info on the ALP to be found.

Do you have any test equipment?

[Jacovn]

No not personaly, but there is a community of people here as well which have a radar and some lidar devices for test.
So i can have the car tested for laser shielding easy.
Radar we have plenty (fixed and mobile), so i can test the warning distance myself..

It is a very small country, top to bottum, only 250 km or so. Everything is drivable within 2 hours as i live about in the middle.