RALETC LIDAR Jammer Testing Meet. September 21

[Yellowcab]

RALETC is proud to announce the scheduling of our Fall 2014 testing meet. Come join us on Sunday, September 21 at 8:00 AM in or around New Jersey.

LIDARS available to be used for testing (more may be added):

A few versions of the DALA
DragonEye Speed LIDAR
DragonEye Compact
Kustom ProLite+
Kustom ProLaser III
Kustom ProLaser IV
Laser Atlanta Torch
LTI Truspeed
LTI Truspeed LR
LTI Truspeed S
LTI Truspeed SX
LTI LRB
LTI UL100LR (100 pps)
Stalker LIDAR Gen.1 and Gen. 2
Stalker LR
Stalker XLR

To sign up for this event, you must post your intention to attend in this thread. Since I am organizing this meet and the wonderful administrators at another forum have banned me and are currently blocking my IP address, I am unable to check any related threads or posts on another forum.

Members and leadership of other forums as well as ECCTG members are welcome to attend.

If there are any special testing scenarios that you would like us to perform please let us know.

Attending:

1. Yellowcab
2. RedRocket
3. RadarRob
4. BestRadarDetectors
5. Specifics
6. RigToFly01
7. itwasntme
8. Salty
9. TeamQuack
10. stano0098
11. fox in the hole
12. maxmil2224
13. jk111
14. NY SpeederPVM
15. spankyaf
16. Veil Guy
17. vbmx
18. Christop_Kohl
19. ferravette
20. Mirage
21. Mgrae (signed up on RALETC.com via RDF)
22. mikedotd (RDF)
23. Electronut (RDF)
24.
25.

[BestRadarDetectors]

There will probably be more guns available then time that will be available to use all of them depending on how many members come. I really hope we can get a variety of systems LI's, K40's LSP's, ALP's, Etc. to make it interesting.

[specifics]

I'm in for sure.....

[RigToFly01]

I am 90%. Do you need me to bring "Darth Vader"? No need for me to bring my TruSpeed or LRB. Will it be around the same place as last time?

I still have leftover sheets. I will bring those as well.

[RedRocket]

intention to attend

p.s. - AL-P (Triple) to be tested.

[Yellowcab]

I am 90%. Do you need me to bring "Darth Vader"? No need for me to bring my TruSpeed or LRB. Will it be around the same place as last time?

I still have leftover sheets. I will bring those as well.

Bring Darth.

[itwasntme]

Would very much like to attend.

[BestRadarDetectors]

For those who are attending can you let YC know what systems you are planning to test. Hopefully we can get a mixture of different systems.

[Salty]

I have every intention of attending as well. LI 8.14.

[BestRadarDetectors]

I have every intention of attending as well. LI 8.14.

Awesome.. Been a while since you made it to a meet. Also seems its been a while since you updated those LI's.

[TeamQuack]

Please sign me up to attend! Thanks for hosting RALETC guys!


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[Salty]

Awesome.. Been a while since you made it to a meet. Also seems its been a while since you updated those LI's.

That's cause I never turn them on.

[beingaware]

Yc, can we fly you down here? :)

[stano0098]

So far it looks as if I can make it as well. No jammer set up so I can come and help out with anything if needed

[fox in the hole]

Please put me on roster for 9/21..looking forward to meeting everyone

[Yellowcab]

Yc, can we fly you down here? :)

Sure. I just need to get a Poli.

[beingaware]

Sure. I just need to get a Poli.
Haha, that's a west coast issue.
They are like the cousin that you meet once every few years but lives far away ;).
But seriously, Perth is the worlds most isolated capital city.

East coast cm is a different game, more traditional for the time being.

[beingaware]

Scratch that. QLD now has them as well. Press release out today.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Will you be updating the initial post with a list of confirmed attendees?

[Yellowcab]

Will you be updating the initial post with a list of confirmed attendees?

Yes

[specifics]

For those who are attending can you let YC know what systems you are planning to test. Hopefully we can get a mixture of different systems.

ALP dual with a questionable low install.... hoping for the best

[maxmil2224]

Hey guys. I am planning to attend. No CMs installed yet, but would like to get to meet all you guys. Thanks for having this and see you all in a few weeks!

[jk111]

Count me in! Looking forward to testing my ALP 3 head installation.

[RigToFly01]

I will be there. I will bring Darth. Check my signature for my setup. I am hoping to do some more shooting of guns than testing this time. Last time I was in the car the whole time. I do want to re test the DALA5 on my car and any new guns that have not been previously tested. Looking forward to seeing you all. Anyone bringing a V1 with Yav?

[Yellowcab]

OP edited for additional LIDAR gun.

Is your setup ready for the challenge?

[RigToFly01]

OP edited for additional LIDAR gun.

Is your setup ready for the challenge?

From the list you posted and what has been previously tested on my rig.

2483

2484

I need to test on the following

1. Atlanta Torch
2. TruSpeed SX
3. LTI UL100LR
4. Stalker LR
5. DALA #5

YC, Did I miss anything?

[NYSpeederPVM]

I'm in :)

[spankyaf]

I'm in ... could you pm a rough location or some accommodation recommendations ?

[RigToFly01]

I'm in ... could you pm a rough location or some accommodation recommendations ?

RedRocket and I stayed in a Hotel last time. I cant remember tonight. I will post some tomorrow when I get to work. Looking forward to meeting you.

[RedRocket]

I'm in ... could you pm a rough location or some accommodation recommendations ?I can help w/ 2 Hotels near a Bob Evans Restaurant (very good breakfast) & close to site.
3rd Hotel close also,but havn't found good restaurant nearby open for breakfast,yet.

[BestRadarDetectors]

I can help w/ 2 Hotels near a Bob Evans Restaurant (very good breakfast) & close to site.
3rd Hotel close also,but havn't found good restaurant nearby open for breakfast,yet.

Last time we met at Starbucks and they had some basic breakfast if you dont need anything fancy.

[RedRocket]

Last time we met at Starbucks and they had some basic breakfast if you dont need anything fancy.8 hrs straight of Testing & we never stopped.We finally had lunch around 4pm.
I'm glad I had hardy breakfast at Bob's that morning.

[Christoph_Kohl]

I would like to participate in this. However, I am only 80% tentative for that date. I expect to have a firmer answer nearer to the actual date.

[ferravette]

Looking forward to attending.

ALP Quad

[Radarrob]

intention to attend.

My car is almost up and running.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Mirage and Won were thinking about maybe jumping on a plane and also attending. Lets use some peer pressure to get these guys to the meet to make it one of our best meets yet.

[Salty]

Mirage and Won were thinking about maybe jumping on a plane and also attending. Lets use some peer pressure to get these guys to the meet to make it one of our best meets yet.

That would be great!

[RedRocket]

Mirage and Won were thinking about maybe jumping on a plane and also attending. Lets use some peer pressure to get these guys to the meet to make it one of our best meets yet.Saddle-up,Texans - the bunk house is a short mosey to the Testing Coral.(really) :thumbs2:

[Veil Guy]

Look forward to seeing you guys again!

Vg

[vbmx]

I will make this one as well. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys and finally getting my system tested.

[Yellowcab]

Look forward to seeing you guys again!

Vg

HEY! WHO INVITED YOU?














Bob, you are always welcome to join us.

[Yellowcab]

added attendee list to OP

[Yellowcab]

OP updated.

[Salty]

Looking forward to seeing old faces, and meeting some new ones!

[Veil Guy]

HEY! WHO INVITED YOU?


That's all right. I won't go then...

You guys have fun!

VG

[RedRocket]

That's all right. I won't go then...

VGIf you don't attend we'll call-in a BOLO to LE on you ! :devilish:

[RigToFly01]

If you don't attend we'll call-in a BOLO to LE on you ! :devilish:

BE ON THE LOOKOUT for Doc Brown!

[RigToFly01]

I updated the sheets we used last time. There was only room for 12 different cars and setups per sheet. Does anyone see anything that I missed or needs adding?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2qjha9k.jpg

[Veil Guy]

You know what I believe would be very useful?

Instead of recording close range punch through distances only, use a format of attempting to clock from long range to close range all of the way after each successful reading, repeated re-attempts though the entire range.

In my experiences with either active, passive, or both, PTs can happen at specific times at a variety of distances not just close range.

I would enjoy seeing a test done that way, some day. A lot of useful data could come out of such a test.

VG

[Radarrob]

You know what I believe would be very useful?

Instead of recording close range punch through distances only, use a format of attempting to clock from long range to close range all of the way after each successful reading, repeated re-attempts though the entire range.

In my experiences with either active, passive, or both, PTs can happen at specific times at a variety of distances not just close range.

I would enjoy seeing a test done that way, some day. A lot of useful data could come out of such a test.

VGGreat idea! but the problem with this would be weather conditions.Temperature,humidity,sunlight and operator error come into play possible.

[CJR238]

Well if you can't get a PT at close Range you certainly aren't going to get it at greater distances. But that's just my experience.

[Yellowcab]

Well if you can't get a PT at close Range you certainly aren't going to get it at greater distances. But that's just my experience.

Although that is most of our experience it isn't necessarily true. Most of the testing that has been done, has been on relatively short courses (under 2000 feet). At these distances punch throughs have occurred primarily due to the shooter being outside of the jammer beam or due to the jammer not seeing the LIDAR. Other punch throughs have been due to poor algorithms of various firmwares on various jammers.

As demonstrated by previous RALETC testing performed by RedRocket, some jammer manufacturers use poor quality laser diodes that have voids in their beam. As the distance from the jammer head to the shooter increases the size of the void(s) increase which raises the possibility of a PT at longer distances, due to the shooter being in one such void.

Additionally, as the distance increases from jammer to LIDAR, the jammer beam becomes more diffuse due to its very wide divergence, especially when compared to the much more focused beam of the LIDAR gun. At a point the LIDAR gun may interpret the jammers signal as IR noise and not as return signal.

CJR and others, if you wish to continue this discussion please open a new thread and I will move these posts there.

[Blade]

Please add me to the list. Although I won't participate in the 'testing' itself, I'll be with the shooters and test recorders to lend a hand. Thank you.

[Yellowcab]

Please add me to the list. Although I won't participate in the 'testing' itself, I'll be with the shooters and test recorders to lend a hand. Thank you.

Thank you very much in advance for helping!

[BestRadarDetectors]

Less than 2 weeks away... Looks like it will be a nice turnout. Hoping for some nice weather, Last meet we had I was fried and I looked like a lobster for a few days.

[Yellowcab]

I can't disclose the details yet, but there will be something special at the event.

[RigToFly01]

I can't disclose the details yet, but there will be something special at the event.

Tease.

[Yellowcab]

Tease.


I know you will like it.

[SunTzuAOW]

I have a Wound Warrior ride on Saturday. If I spend the night I can stop thru on the way home. Same spot? No CM's on my ZX-12, but if VeilGuy brings some special stuff we can test it.

[patsy1099]

Wish I could make this one but will be traveling. Haven't been around for a while and would have been nice to catch up. Hope you guys have a great time.

[RedRocket]

Howdy stranger,glad to see you're still around.-Don't forget to come back...sooner,next time.

[RigToFly01]

Don't want to Jinx it BUT weather is looking good for next weekend. :whoo:

[BestRadarDetectors]

Looking forward to next Sunday.

[Salty]

Wish I could make this one but will be traveling. Haven't been around for a while and would have been nice to catch up. Hope you guys have a great time.
Hope all is well!

[specifics]

Looking forward to next Sunday.


Same here... be good to catch up with everyone and meet other's.... I'm curious how my setup tests too..... Got a room booked for Saturday night....

[itwasntme]

Yes, knock on wood, weather looking good. Can't wait.

[RigToFly01]

Sigh.
Weeks and Weeks ago.
ME: I am going to the RALETC meetup in Jersey on the 21st of September.
WIFE: That's great Honey, You don't do enough guy stuff. You should really go.
ME: Are you sure?
WIFE: Yes, Go have a goo time.
This Morning.
WIFE: You know you really put me in rough spot going to this nerd convention this weekend!
ME: What? You said I could go and have a good time.
WIFE: You knew I had something to do on that same weekend. You should of said no.
ME: Sigh. :mad-new:

I am going. Why are woman crazy?

[specifics]

Sigh.
Weeks and Weeks ago.
ME: I am going to the RALETC meetup in Jersey on the 21st of September.
WIFE: That's great Honey, You don't do enough guy stuff. You should really go.
ME: Are you sure?
WIFE: Yes, Go have a goo time.
This Morning.
WIFE: You know you really put me in rough spot going to this nerd convention this weekend!
ME: What? You said I could go and have a good time.
WIFE: You knew I had something to do on that same weekend. You should of said no.
ME: Sigh. :mad-new:

I am going. Why are woman crazy?

She's trying to get hand.... guilt = hand.... lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3tQaqizh0

[Mirage]

LOL they all do this!

Countdown 6 Days and 16 Hours till the RALETC 2014 Lidar Jammer Meet

Please make sure you post in this thread or sign up on RALETC.com (http://www.raletc.com/raletc-meets/) We will be sending out instructions this week and will be doing final counts by mid-week. Please make sure your name is on the list if you plan to attend. Also, if you need a hotel and want to know what's in the area please PM me for details. See you on the 21st!

[dinkydi]

sounds like a great time will be had , OZ a bit to far look forward to result, hey brd no lobsters take the sp 30 and a good wide brim hat :roflmfao:

[specifics]

Room booked and countin' the days......

[Yellowcab]

Sigh.
Weeks and Weeks ago.
ME: I am going to the RALETC meetup in Jersey on the 21st of September.
WIFE: That's great Honey, You don't do enough guy stuff. You should really go.
ME: Are you sure?
WIFE: Yes, Go have a goo time.
This Morning.
WIFE: You know you really put me in rough spot going to this nerd convention this weekend!
ME: What? You said I could go and have a good time.
WIFE: You knew I had something to do on that same weekend. You should of said no.
ME: Sigh. :mad-new:

I am going. Why are woman crazy?

I think we share the same wife.

[Mirage]

I think we share the same wife.

Whoa. TMI.

[RedRocket]

Whoa. TMI.Take Mine Instead ?

[itwasntme]

Sigh.
Weeks and Weeks ago.
ME: I am going to the RALETC meetup in Jersey on the 21st of September.
WIFE: That's great Honey, You don't do enough guy stuff. You should really go.
ME: Are you sure?
WIFE: Yes, Go have a goo time.
This Morning.
WIFE: You know you really put me in rough spot going to this nerd convention this weekend!
ME: What? You said I could go and have a good time.
WIFE: You knew I had something to do on that same weekend. You should of said no.
ME: Sigh. :mad-new:

I am going. Why are woman crazy?
Brother, they are all like this. Men are from Mars, women live on planet "emotion." On that planet it can be 50 Degrees below zero one second and 120 degrees above zero the next. Want to deal with just the facts? Forget IT! Just remember to bring your parka and swim suit next time you want to communicate. See you at the meet!

[jk111]

Can't wait to test and meet everyone Sunday. Will we get a PM with location info?

[Mirage]

Can't wait to test and meet everyone Sunday. Will we get a PM with location info?

Yes we will be sending it out shortly.

[Salty]

So close!

[Radarrob]

2574

[RigToFly01]

Pre loading the car!

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[Salty]

Can't wait to see some old faces and meet some new ones. Weather looks good and the turnout looks great!

[BestRadarDetectors]

Can't wait to see some old faces and meet some new ones. Weather looks good and the turnout looks great!

Me Too!

[Yellowcab]

Can't wait to tare up some installations. If we can't get a PT on your set up, no one can!

Will your set up be RALETC APPROVED?

Looking forward to seeing some old friends some new friends and THE ROOKIE!

Come with questions about radar, LIDAR and our CMs. This is a great opportunity to learn a lot.

[Yellowcab]

check your PMs

[spankyaf]

Has the location pm been sent out?

[Yellowcab]

Check your PMs.

[mikedotd]

Check your PMs.

I signed up on RDF but haven't received the location either.

[Yellowcab]

I signed up on RDF but haven't received the location either.

PM sent

[Yellowcab]

We retested the LI after running the sensitivity test on the test course. With the heads pointed upwards at 5 degrees and towed outward at about 2 degrees. The LI did not alert to any interferences. The LI had instant and constant punch throughs on three consecutive runs when tested with the DET Compact.

We are speculating that the cause of the punch throughs are due to the installation that we use for testing. Based on the instructions that LI provides for the firmware update, we feel that they want the heads positioned in that fashion to minimize interference between the heads. It is possible if the heads are installed so they are also recessed and isolated from each other it may result in improved performance.

[NYSpeederPVM]

Everyone is too tired to post up? Haha good day, except finding out I suck at updating :/

[ECMExpert]

We retested the LI after running the sensitivity test on the test course. With the heads pointed upwards at 5 degrees and towed outward at about 2 degrees. The LI did not alert to any interferences. The LI had instant and constant punch throughs on three consecutive runs when tested with the DET Compact.

We are speculating that the cause of the punch throughs are due to the installation that we use for testing. Based on the instructions that LI provides for the firmware update, we feel that they want the heads positioned in that fashion to minimize interference between the heads. It is possible if the heads are installed so they are also recessed and isolated from each other it may result in improved performance.


Sounds like crosstalk issue on the LIs if they are chanting them out a bit. We've seen this before, but why would a firmware update cause the new or additional cross talking?

[fox in the hole]

Hey..just got home..im pooped!.what a day!

[maxmil2224]

Great meeting all you guys. Looking forward to the next meet!

[TeamQuack]

nice seeing everyone as well! just got home a little while ago myself.

the people that made it to the end at 6 also got a RALETC t-shirt :D


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[ECMExpert]

nice seeing everyone as well! just got home a little while ago myself.

the people that made it to the end at 6 also got a RALETC t-shirt :D


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And how do mere mortals get these? ;)

[NYSpeederPVM]

nice seeing everyone as well! just got home a little while ago myself.

the people that made it to the end at 6 also got a RALETC t-shirt :D


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Whoa you guys were there until 6? Way more hardcore than me haha.

[TeamQuack]

And how do mere mortals get these? ;)

test for 9-10 hours straight without any break ;)

this is what the last few if us got as a nice gift :D

2604


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[itwasntme]

test for 9-10 hours straight without any break ;)

this is what the last few if us got as a nice gift :D

2604


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Yes, TeamQuack, that shirt was a really nice surprise at the end of a long day of testing. Guys like Yellow Cab, specifics, Radarrob, Mirrage, RedRocket, BestRadarDetectors and RigToFly01(sorry if I missed someone) were the ones that really deserved something though, they were working VERY hard to make sure we all got throughly tested. Great to meet you TeamQuack, also, Fox in the hole, NYSpeederPVM, Spankyaf, Kristoff_Kohl, Veil Guy and everybody. Can't wait to see all the results.

[dinkydi]

big congrats to a fine team

[ECMExpert]

Yes, TeamQuack, that shirt was a really nice surprise at the end of a long day of testing. Guys like Yellow Cab, specifics, Radarrob, Mirrage, RedRocket, BestRadarDetectors and RigToFly01(sorry if I missed someone) were the ones that really deserved something though, they were working VERY hard to make sure we all got throughly tested. Great to meat you TeamQuack, also, Fox in the hole, NYSpeederPVM, Spankyaf, Kristoff_Kohl, Veil Guy and everybody. Can't wait to see all the results.


I know how difficult it can be to test. You ALL are to be commended. Few realize the time, money and effort involved to do this, yet we all benefit collectively for the efforts. A special thanks to Mirage for ALL he's done to make this happen as well.

[RigToFly01]

It was great to meet everyone. I had a great time helping everyone get tested. Thanks to RALETC for initiation to the group. I had such a good time this time I hope we can do it all again sooner rather than later.


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[specifics]

I/O Ka all the way home..... after the parking lit on the Jersey TPK..... Good job all and interesting results......

[Salty]

Yes, TeamQuack, that shirt was a really nice surprise at the end of a long day of testing. Guys like Yellow Cab, specifics, Radarrob, Mirrage, RedRocket, BestRadarDetectors and RigToFly01(sorry if I missed someone) were the ones that really deserved something though, they were working VERY hard to make sure we all got throughly tested. Great to meet you TeamQuack, also, Fox in the hole, NYSpeederPVM, Spankyaf, Kristoff_Kohl, Veil Guy and everybody. Can't wait to see all the results.

Thanks for forgetting the dude who got things moving swiftly by being so on top of comms. ;)

It was great meeting all the new guys. You all are some cool dudes, and we hope to see you out at the next meet!

Special thanks to my fellow Raletc members who busted their asses to make this meet possible.

[Yellowcab]

Thank you to everyone who attended! It was great meeting the newer guys as well as seeing old friends. Special thanks to Red Rocket, Mirage , Specifics, RIgToFly for working incredibly hard for two days straight. I know I am still tired and catching up on sleep.

Thank you to Tom, Salty and RadarRob for helping out on Sunday.

Mirage will be posting the results. Unfortunately, I will be very busy this week with work and family and don't have much free time to spend on it. We did learn a lot about the TSX and understanding 8.18. The big take away from the member testing is that choosing proper sensor locations and being meticulous with sensor alignment is very important. PTs may not happen on some LIDARs due to incorrect placement and alignment, but will show up on other LIDARs. Everyone should take the time and effort to improve their installations. Another take away from member testing is that using a lot of veil does help (fox in the hole)

[radargeek]

I wish I could have gone. Let me know if you have a meet in NH, MA or VT in the future.

[itwasntme]

Thanks for forgetting the dude who got things moving swiftly by being so on top of comms. ;)

It was great meeting all the new guys. You all are some cool dudes, and we hope to see you out at the next meet!

Special thanks to my fellow Raletc members who busted their asses to make this meet possible.

Ha, ha, new I forgot someone, THANKS SALTY! Got to love some of those exchanges on the radio. Got me laughing. It was a LONG day for you guys. Everything really good takes some effort and you guys made it great.

[jk111]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who made the event possible. I had a great time and learned a lot. It was nice to meet everyone and figure out how I can improve my setup.

[RigToFly01]

Let's not forget to thank RedRocket for cracking the whip at the staging area.
"JAMMERS ON!"


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[ECMExpert]

Thank you to everyone who attended! It was great meeting the newer guys as well as seeing old friends. Special thanks to Red Rocket, Mirage , Specifics, RIgToFly for working incredibly hard for two days straight. I know I am still tired and catching up on sleep.

Thank you to Tom, Salty and RadarRob for helping out on Sunday.

Mirage will be posting the results. Unfortunately, I will be very busy this week with work and family and don't have much free time to spend on it. We did learn a lot about the TSX and understanding 8.18. The big take away from the member testing is that choosing proper sensor locations and being meticulous with sensor alignment is very important. PTs may not happen on some LIDARs due to incorrect placement and alignment, but will show up on other LIDARs. Everyone should take the time and effort to improve their installations. Another take away from member testing is that using a lot of veil does help (fox in the hole)

Thanks YC, why dont we start a thread on that and show the results separate from the other testing???

[Yellowcab]

Thanks YC, why dont we start a thread on that and show the results separate from the other testing???

We will be posting the results on www.raletc.com

[fox in the hole]

Hey Yellowcab I knew that was coming..LOL!!..hey anything that can give me that edge!!..awesome meet..hope we can all do it again soon

[spankyaf]

Rolled into home an hour ago. Heavy rain in the Poconos and a flat on the Thruway just outside of Buffalo just added to the adventure of the weekend. Thank you to the Raletc members who organized this event. An impressive array of technology and a level of expertise among the members makes me believe that the `hobby` is going to be a thorn in the side of speed enforcement for years to come

[itwasntme]

Rolled into home an hour ago. Heavy rain in the Poconos and a flat on the Thruway just outside of Buffalo just added to the adventure of the weekend. Thank you to the Raletc members who organized this event. An impressive array of technology and a level of expertise among the members makes me believe that the `hobby` is going to be a thorn in the side of speed enforcement for years to come

A flat!! Wow, it's not like you were tired at that point Spanky! Thanks for all the great info on the FJR1300, you helped me make up my mind. Great meeting you. Glad to hear you made it back safe and sound.

[Radarrob]

Thank you all for coming out.It was nice meeting old timers and new members.Since 1997 the testing area has been a good,clean,blessing spot for us and hope it continues to be a spot for the future.To everyone who attended and brought equipment,tools ect...Thank you! To the whole RALTC team another successful meet. RALTC approved.If you would like RALTC to attend at a meet near you send us a Pm and we will do our best to attend.

[Mirage]

Rolled into home an hour ago. Heavy rain in the Poconos and a flat on the Thruway just outside of Buffalo just added to the adventure of the weekend. Thank you to the Raletc members who organized this event. An impressive array of technology and a level of expertise among the members makes me believe that the `hobby` is going to be a thorn in the side of speed enforcement for years to come

I may have traveled further, but you certainly had the longest trip! I would have loved to have driven my vehicle through Georgia maybe next year. Glad you made it home safely.

[RigToFly01]

I finally got the sheet of specifics testing. Early Sunday morning when everyone was at the meeting point. Specifics and I got done setting up and had some time so we tested his ride with some of the guns. I am fairly new to shooting but I am getting better every time. Specifics asked me to post the results for him. I don't think it's fair to post these as Official RALETC results as RALETC Shooters did all the Official shooting that day. I will be ready by the next meet for some real shooting. I used the tripod just like normal. I must of been doing something right as I managed a couple PT's.

I do want to make note that these results are from his car not the car he was driving all day on Sunday. He was in the Test car Sunday.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2usv0c5.jpg

[BestRadarDetectors]

I finally got the sheet of specifics testing. Early Sunday morning when everyone was at the meeting point. Specifics and I got done setting up and had some time so we tested his ride with some of the guns. I am fairly new to shooting but I am getting better every time. Specifics asked me to post the results for him. I don't think it's fair to post these as Official RALETC results as RALETC Shooters did all the Official shooting that day. I will be ready by the next meet for some real shooting. I used the tripod just like normal. I must of been doing something right as I managed a couple PT's.

I do want to make note that these results are from his car not the car he was driving all day on Sunday. He was in the Test car Sunday.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2usv0c5.jpg

He knows what he needs to do to get rid of those PT's, It just is not that easy with his install.

[specifics]

He knows what he needs to do to get rid of those PT's, It just is not that easy with his install.

This will be done by spring for sure..... I am quite pleased with the power of this ALP system though and in a real world circumstance this gives be a better than even chance of getting woowed down in time to avoid a ticket..... Notice how I jammed the SX Sunday morning too... I'll be doing some research on pulling that bumper cover and working on the grill over the winter...



I do want to make note that these results are from his car not the car he was driving all day on Sunday. He was in the Test car Sunday.

Thanks RigToFly01 for posting these results as it gives me some good data....

2636

[itwasntme]

It's very hard to compare tripod shooting to what you'd see in the "wild." The tester knows the jam car is coming and concentrates on one fixed point with next to no beam shake for well over 1000'. A LEO is not sitting in his car waiting for you with baited breath in a perfectly braced position. Why? Because, it's not necessary 99% of the time to acquire a speed. Usually, even a sloppy shot gets him what he needs so, why should he be so tense and focused for a 2" putt? Even if the cop is a very experienced, proficient shooter, by the time he becomes aware he is being jammed or, not getting the speed for whatever reason, the jammer equipped car has already traveled a great distance reducing his target window substantially. Not to say this testing isn't valuable. It will show you the absolutes. It will help you fine tune your setup to maximize the precision of your return pulses.

Upon checking my front three ALP sensors when I got home, I found that they were elevated only 1-2 degrees, as best as I could tell, over true level. The rear sensors were not close to leveI and, poor results there were expected. I had recessed the front two outside sensors for a more stealth install over where they had originally been placed. After listening to BRD's recommendations, I pulled the two outside sensors back out a little bit to where they had been originally. Honestly, I don't think the emitter portions of the outside sensors were obstructed or, enclosed in anyway where they were for the test. I also don't believe one or, two degrees deviation up or, down would be the determining factor in a punch through. After seeing some of my results on test day shortly after some of the runs, I know there were several LIDARS where I was JTG. But not with the PL3 and, the Prolite where I had a couple of random punch throughs. Was it the 1 or 2 degree elevated heads or, the slightly recessed outside sensors that caused them? I don't think so. I think I have a large metallic silver, chrome beast that is very hard to cover. Every once in a while with precise, concentrated shooting, a LIDAR, will get enough pulses reflected to render a speed. I also believe that in order to be jack of all trades the ALP is not the complete master of one or two. If my install was weak I don't think I would have done so well with the TSsv where I believe I had only one sub 200' punch through or, the DE compact where I was JTG. I spent several hours yesterday fiddling with my sensors and, now have them as close to level as possible. Now it's time to get serious about cutting down on the reflective qualities of the front and rear of my Flex. I hope VG gets G5 to market soon, because that and some protective plastic covering is definitely part of my plan.

[Radarrob]

This will be done by spring for sure..... I am quite pleased with the power of this ALP system though and in a real world circumstance this gives be a better than even chance of getting woowed down in time to avoid a ticket..... Notice how I jammed the SX Sunday morning too... I'll be doing some research on pulling that bumper cover and working on the grill over the winter...




Thanks RigToFly01 for posting these results as it gives me some good data....

2636Adding a third head to the car will fix that problem.

[Mirage]

2642 (http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/)

The results are posted! http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Note to Specifics and RigToFly:
Did you guys keep sheets from your runs? I appear to be missing some of your results.

[Salty]

2642 (http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/)

The results are posted! http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Note to Specifics and RigToFly:
Did you guys keep sheets from your runs? I appear to be missing some of your results.

Nice layout and commentary.

[RigToFly01]

2642 (http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/)

The results are posted! http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Note to Specifics and RigToFly:
Did you guys keep sheets from your runs? I appear to be missing some of your results.

I agree. F*CKING FANTASTIC JOB! I sent you specifics results. the only thing you were missing from me was the XLR which was JTG/JFG.

[FJR1300]

You mentioned that a 3rd head should be on the same plane as the other two. Would this mean that all dual front or all dual rear heads should also be on the same plane?
I set up my rears with the left rear slightly higher than the right to try and account for different angles between level and overpass shots. BRD thought this was fine at that time, has further testing shown this not to be the case any longer?

[Mirage]

You mentioned that a 3rd head should be on the same plane as the other two. Would this mean that all dual front or all dual rear heads should also be on the same plane?
I set up my rears with the left rear slightly higher than the right to try and account for different angles between level and overpass shots. BRD thought this was fine at that time, has further testing shown this not to be the case any longer?

you are a special case with a small footprint I probably wouldn't recommend that for you. BRD and I talk about this stuff quite a bit so if he told you to do something then I would stick with it.

With respect to this test the user had a triple setup with 2 heads on the upper part of the front facia and 1 head in the lower portion of the grille. This is not optimal because you increase the risk of cross talk between the sensors.

[dinkydi]

nothing is perfect , all results very nicely laid out thanks again ,well done by all

[FJR1300]

you are a special case with a small footprint I probably wouldn't recommend that for you. BRD and I talk about this stuff quite a bit so if he told you to do something then I would stick with it.

With respect to this test the user had a triple setup with 2 heads on the upper part of the front facia and 1 head in the lower portion of the grille. This is not optimal because you increase the risk of cross talk between the sensors.
Gotcha, I do have my tag light housing that protrudes between the rear sensors.
It wasn't so much that BRD advised me to do that, as I thought about it and asked if it was okay, just didn't want to give the impression that conflicting advice had been given.

Thanks for the reply.

[RedRocket]

Great job on a very easy format to read results from.- Time to finally rest & kick back now,it's Miller time(or higher octane :D ) in the Lone Star State.

[specifics]

Note to Specifics and RigToFly:
Did you guys keep sheets from your runs? I appear to be missing some of your results.

I only made the few runs before everyone showed up that was posted..... I was having too much fun in that Altima... lol Those results are awesome and well done... very professional and easily comparable.....

[RigToFly01]

I only made the few runs before everyone showed up that was posted..... I was having too much fun in that Altima... lol

Ya, sure you were! ;)

[specifics]

Ya, sure you were! ;)

I did finally figure out the cruise control..... an achievement in of itself... haha

[Christoph_Kohl]

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Thanks Mirage for posting the results! I wanted to clarify a small detail though.
My vehicle had no veil on the front. I believe it was "fox in the hole" that had tonnes of VEIL on the front of his subaru...

[spankyaf]

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Thanks Mirage for posting the results! I wanted to clarify a small detail though.
My vehicle had no veil on the front. I believe it was "fox in the hole" that had tonnes of VEIL on the front of his subaru...
Yeah and let's be clear it was the absolutely the ugliest install I've ever seen ... sort of like his kids finger painted it on. But then again maybe he's on to something

[spankyaf]

Gotcha, I do have my tag light housing that protrudes between the rear sensors.
It wasn't so much that BRD advised me to do that, as I thought about it and asked if it was okay, just didn't want to give the impression that conflicting advice had been given.

Thanks for the reply.
Seriously if you want to obsess about something think about your helmet and your jacket

[FJR1300]

Seriously if you want to obsess about something think about your helmet and your jacket


Not obsessing, just noticed the sensors on the same plane mentioned in Mirage's write up. I was JTG & JFG with single F & R sensors before with Ga Speed shooting so I'm expecting the quad setup should still be good but haven't had an opportunity to test against vpr yet and at the speeds I like to travel...maybe I do obsess a little ;)

Helmet & jackets are black with no reflective material and all bike reflectors removed btw.

[BestRadarDetectors]

Not obsessing, just noticed the sensors on the same plane mentioned in Mirage's write up. I was JTG & JFG with single F & R sensors before with Ga Speed shooting so I'm expecting the quad setup should still be good but haven't had an opportunity to test against vpr yet and at the speeds I like to travel...maybe I do obsess a little ;)

Helmet & jackets are black with no reflective material and all bike reflectors removed btw.
Your install on your bike is perfect. Mirage was referring to a truck install where the center sensor was mounted over 1 1/2 feet lower than the other two sensors near the headlights.

[RedRocket]

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

My vehicle had no veil on the front. I believe it was "fox in the hole" that had tonnes of VEIL on the front of his subaru...Correct - Dark Blue & heavy coating of Veil on the Subie made a big diff. for him.

[spankyaf]

Not obsessing, just noticed the sensors on the same plane mentioned in Mirage's write up. I was JTG & JFG with single F & R sensors before with Ga Speed shooting so I'm expecting the quad setup should still be good but haven't had an opportunity to test against vpr yet and at the speeds I like to travel...maybe I do obsess a little ;)

Helmet & jackets are black with no reflective material and all bike reflectors removed btw.
What colour do you guess my helmet was?

[FJR1300]

What colour do you guess my helmet was?

Valentino Rossi yellow? I get what you're saying, my helmet was targeted with the non vpr guns including the TSS, iirc Ga Speed got one pt @ 90 ft, once.

[NYSpeederPVM]

Chris kohl's grill was all black but that was plastidip? And yeah fox in the hole had lots of veil, not so evenly painted on but it certainly seemed to work.

[Christoph_Kohl]

Nah, just regular automotive black paint. And yellowed/hazed headlights from years of neglect. :)

[jk111]

Thanks for the awesome results posting. I will be revising my setup hopefully by winter and will get some pictures up. Going to move my two upper heads to the upper portion of the grille and move the low sensor to the lower portion of the grille.

Hoping that helps solve some of my PTs.

[Mirage]

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc-lidar-user-meet-sept-2014-testing-results/

Thanks Mirage for posting the results! I wanted to clarify a small detail though.
My vehicle had no veil on the front. I believe it was "fox in the hole" that had tonnes of VEIL on the front of his subaru...


Sorry I got the cars mixed up. It was Fox with the Veil. I'll correct it this afternoon.

[Mirage]

Corrected

[fox in the hole]

Hey Veil is good..The baseball players are using roids for there home runs..and I use veil..lol